Posted on Feb 26, 2015
Why Is The ATF Moving To Ban Common Rifle Ammo?
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Where to begin? A few thoughts:
- The posted question is not related to the cited article. The article is about executive action to ban 5.56 bullets while the posted question is about confiscation of bullets from citizens. Two separate issues although the answer to both is no.
- The issue mentioned in the article is about the Obama administration attempting to get around the 2nd amendment by restricting ammunition rather than restricting guns directly. The administration is still wrong in this perspective because of 10th Grade Civics class. The legislative branch writes the laws while the executive branch enforces the laws. The executive branch does not get to write law. Also the article talks about restricting sale/possession, it does not mention confiscation.
- "confiscate 5.56mm ammo from citizens" is a broad question whose answer is "it depends" without more explanation. IF there was a law prohibited possession, IF probable cause existed that the law was broken, IF competent authority (ie law enforcement not Soldiers) conducted the confiscation, etc. You get the point.
- The larger issue is the circumvention of the rule of law by the current administration. We now have several data points that show a trend such as today's FCC ruling, admin action on immigration, and this article about bullets. I recommend we all buckle up. The ride over the next two years will be interesting and potentially dangerous.
- The posted question is not related to the cited article. The article is about executive action to ban 5.56 bullets while the posted question is about confiscation of bullets from citizens. Two separate issues although the answer to both is no.
- The issue mentioned in the article is about the Obama administration attempting to get around the 2nd amendment by restricting ammunition rather than restricting guns directly. The administration is still wrong in this perspective because of 10th Grade Civics class. The legislative branch writes the laws while the executive branch enforces the laws. The executive branch does not get to write law. Also the article talks about restricting sale/possession, it does not mention confiscation.
- "confiscate 5.56mm ammo from citizens" is a broad question whose answer is "it depends" without more explanation. IF there was a law prohibited possession, IF probable cause existed that the law was broken, IF competent authority (ie law enforcement not Soldiers) conducted the confiscation, etc. You get the point.
- The larger issue is the circumvention of the rule of law by the current administration. We now have several data points that show a trend such as today's FCC ruling, admin action on immigration, and this article about bullets. I recommend we all buckle up. The ride over the next two years will be interesting and potentially dangerous.
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COL Jason Smallfield, PMP, CFM, CM
SSG Johnson, I agree with you on what the administration's intent is and the questionable legality of how they are going about it. It does not help the pro 2nd amendment argument, however, to wrongly characterize what the administration is doing. Let the facts speak for themselves.
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SGM Mikel Dawson
But you forget this president thinks he is above the law and can use executive order to write law. And unless someone in Congress grows a pair of big ones, this president will continue with this farse.
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Food for thought...We've been down this path before. There is a roadmap for us:
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We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security.
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