Posted on Jun 20, 2017
Despite NSA Claim, Elections Vendor Denies System Was Compromised In Hack Attempt
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This story and the information in it about the report from the NSA is a canard.
The true weak links in the system are not the machines or the software that runs them, or the voter registration software. The true weak links are the voter identification issues and fake/false registered voters (i.e. deceased or voter registered aliens). Just another reason that we need effective voter ID laws. And it shows that we should probably ratchet down on mail in ballots, as an additional method of combating vote fraud.
The true weak links in the system are not the machines or the software that runs them, or the voter registration software. The true weak links are the voter identification issues and fake/false registered voters (i.e. deceased or voter registered aliens). Just another reason that we need effective voter ID laws. And it shows that we should probably ratchet down on mail in ballots, as an additional method of combating vote fraud.
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SPC Kevin Ford
SSG Robert Webster Which would be great but the recent set of laws to combat that problem have had the impact of suppressing valid voters. In particular, valid voters who are likely to belong to a particular party. The fact that the groups supporting such laws belong to the other party without a lot of evidence of actual illegal votes being cast make it quite clear that it is just another type of election fraud.
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SSG Robert Webster
SPC Kevin Ford - Well then I suppose that we can use the method that we imposed on the Iraqis. By staining the voter's finger with ink.
AND we could actually prosecute registrars that register deceased individuals. Which by the way (that is the registration of the deceased) appears to be far too common an issue, that has actually been verified by some individuals (in this very forum) when they received the registration notification of their deceased parent when the person was dead prior to the form being filed out. Interesting that type of fraud is very rarely prosecuted even when there is overwhelming evidence.
As far as voter suppression goes, please tell me how that actually suppresses a valid voter? And if you tell me that it is a factor of time, distance, cost and other such BS you have drank too much of the Kool-Aid. Why - because in reality in only suppresses less than 1% of those eligible to vote. And please tell me what governmental program DOES NOT REQUIRE a form of valid identification to continue to receive benefits. Voting is not a benefit.
AND we could actually prosecute registrars that register deceased individuals. Which by the way (that is the registration of the deceased) appears to be far too common an issue, that has actually been verified by some individuals (in this very forum) when they received the registration notification of their deceased parent when the person was dead prior to the form being filed out. Interesting that type of fraud is very rarely prosecuted even when there is overwhelming evidence.
As far as voter suppression goes, please tell me how that actually suppresses a valid voter? And if you tell me that it is a factor of time, distance, cost and other such BS you have drank too much of the Kool-Aid. Why - because in reality in only suppresses less than 1% of those eligible to vote. And please tell me what governmental program DOES NOT REQUIRE a form of valid identification to continue to receive benefits. Voting is not a benefit.
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SPC Kevin Ford
SSG Robert Webster - No voting is not a benefit, it is a right. Time, distance, cost not BS, it is real. Perhaps not a factor for you, but your situation is not the same as everyone else's. We've seen poll taxes before and we know their intent. The courts do keep shooting down these laws for very good reasons.
Also invalid vote registrations can happen for a variety of reasons and many of them are not nefarious. Nor do they necessarily equate to actual votes being cast.
Also invalid vote registrations can happen for a variety of reasons and many of them are not nefarious. Nor do they necessarily equate to actual votes being cast.
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SSG Robert Webster
SPC Kevin Ford - Time, distance, and cost as an excuse for not having valid identification IS BS. The reason being - cost is not a factor, why - Because the identification is either FREE or the same cost as any other form of ID document, in my state and several other states, if you are indigent state identification cards/documents are FREE. If it is specifically for voting in my state and several others, the ID is FREE. Cost of transportation to a location to obtain the ID can also be free, because it can be and is usually provided free of charge by many organizations to include political parties. (I would note that if a political party is willing and able to provide transportation to the polls on election/polling days, and they are not willing to provide it for other related activities, then they are also part of the problem (seems to me to be primarily an issue with the Democratic Party).)
And as far as time and distance go, well... If your on the low end of being indigent, you probably have an excess amount of time available. And if it is a problem with distance seem my transportation comment above. What is even more silly in this particular argument (distance), that the state that it was highlighted for was Texas and the furthest distance to travel appeared to be about 40 miles for those living in rural areas and the subsequent lack of public transportation. Interesting to note that they can travel that distance for groceries, I wonder how they get there. I also wonder how they pay for those self same groceries, if they are low income, they are probably using some type of food stamp program (which requires valid ID to obtain). So that is a wash and a weak invalid argument. The other thing about the distance issue, the truly indigent for the most part are within walking distance of those same offices.
Voter registration fraud, not nefarious you say? Do you really believe that? Oh wait a minute, most of the people that have actually said that their actions were not nefarious, stated that it was about their earnings; interesting that someone paying another person in the commission of even what some consider a minor crime, is not nefarious?
It is also interesting that people receive a voter registration or registration update for a relative that has been deceased for more than a year, and the registration form was dated within the past 6 months. Interesting that one or more crimes have been committed in those instances and no one ends up being prosecuted, let's see - Identity theft and perjury are the two easiest ones, but 99.99% of the time not prosecuted. I wonder why? No they usually do not result in an improperly cast ballot, because they were caught ahead of time and reported, but considering the number found out and how many that were not, now that is a highly debatable subject, the problem with that is very few people want to go back and check the actual voters casting ballots list after the fact, because of cost and other factors (note what happened with the vote recount effort led by Jill Stein - some jurisdictions where it was quite obvious that there was vote fraud, could not be recounted due to discrepancies, but still counted toward the totals, interesting how that works (since it was the Democratic Party that won)), such as the prevailing voting rules.
No fraud my backside! BS!
No suspicion of fraud, but state to audit Detroit vote -
http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2016/12/12/records-many-votes-detroits-precincts/95363314/
http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2016/12/05/recount-unrecountable/95007392/
http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/detroit/2016/12/18/detroit-ballots-vote-recount-election-stein/95570866/
http://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/2016/12/12/michigans-elections-bureau-audit-detroit-precincts/95349562/
And as far as time and distance go, well... If your on the low end of being indigent, you probably have an excess amount of time available. And if it is a problem with distance seem my transportation comment above. What is even more silly in this particular argument (distance), that the state that it was highlighted for was Texas and the furthest distance to travel appeared to be about 40 miles for those living in rural areas and the subsequent lack of public transportation. Interesting to note that they can travel that distance for groceries, I wonder how they get there. I also wonder how they pay for those self same groceries, if they are low income, they are probably using some type of food stamp program (which requires valid ID to obtain). So that is a wash and a weak invalid argument. The other thing about the distance issue, the truly indigent for the most part are within walking distance of those same offices.
Voter registration fraud, not nefarious you say? Do you really believe that? Oh wait a minute, most of the people that have actually said that their actions were not nefarious, stated that it was about their earnings; interesting that someone paying another person in the commission of even what some consider a minor crime, is not nefarious?
It is also interesting that people receive a voter registration or registration update for a relative that has been deceased for more than a year, and the registration form was dated within the past 6 months. Interesting that one or more crimes have been committed in those instances and no one ends up being prosecuted, let's see - Identity theft and perjury are the two easiest ones, but 99.99% of the time not prosecuted. I wonder why? No they usually do not result in an improperly cast ballot, because they were caught ahead of time and reported, but considering the number found out and how many that were not, now that is a highly debatable subject, the problem with that is very few people want to go back and check the actual voters casting ballots list after the fact, because of cost and other factors (note what happened with the vote recount effort led by Jill Stein - some jurisdictions where it was quite obvious that there was vote fraud, could not be recounted due to discrepancies, but still counted toward the totals, interesting how that works (since it was the Democratic Party that won)), such as the prevailing voting rules.
No fraud my backside! BS!
No suspicion of fraud, but state to audit Detroit vote -
http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2016/12/12/records-many-votes-detroits-precincts/95363314/
http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2016/12/05/recount-unrecountable/95007392/
http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/detroit/2016/12/18/detroit-ballots-vote-recount-election-stein/95570866/
http://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/2016/12/12/michigans-elections-bureau-audit-detroit-precincts/95349562/
Records: Too many votes in 37% of Detroit’s precincts
County records requested by The News show 37 percent of Detroit’s precincts tabulated more ballots than they should have
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