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Ken Kraetzer, I personally like the new uniform. The Army should never have gone away from it. The Army dress green uniform was a poor replacement, and the move to the ASU (old dress blues) was a complete and total disaster. The only downside to all of this is the cost to virtually every soldier, both officer and enlisted. These constant uniform changes made every few years by the Army are costly to the individual and have allowed for NO consistency over time.
However, this from the article:
"For the record, the officer variant is nearly identical to the enlisted, except for the rank pins on the shoulders rather than embroidered patches on the upper sleeves.
And, different from the ASU, there are no oak leaf clusters on the service cap, nor stripes down the sides of the pants, to differentiate officers from enlisted.
'When I think about it, that’s how we are. The officers eat last. It’s about the soldiers,' [General Robert] Brown said. 'I think that’s why they did it back then, and we kind of got away from it and started being too separate.'''
His comments don't really convey actuality. He implies that the similarity in officer and enlisted uniforms was something "we got away from [it] and started being too separate". That's totally erroneous! Why? "Back then", only officers were authorized to wear pinks and greens (the new AGU) anyway! Enlisted personnel could only wear some version of a complete olive drab dress uniform. What could be more separate than that? Stripes down the side of the pants were irrelevant. Also, rank placement has always been upper arm for enlisted and shoulder for officer going back to uniforms of the Civil War and probably earlier, so that's not even worthy of discussion.
Also, if you look closely, you'll notice that the officer jacket still has a mohair stripe at the cuff. That's a differentiating factor not discussed. Lastly, and on a personal note, I think it's a mistake to remove the scrambled eggs from field grade and general officers' service caps, but that's just me.
CPT Michael Barden SGT (Join to see) MSgt John Taylor SFC William Farrell COL Mikel J. Burroughs SP5 Mark Kuzinski Lt Col Charlie Brown LTC John Mohor SGT John " Mac " McConnell
However, this from the article:
"For the record, the officer variant is nearly identical to the enlisted, except for the rank pins on the shoulders rather than embroidered patches on the upper sleeves.
And, different from the ASU, there are no oak leaf clusters on the service cap, nor stripes down the sides of the pants, to differentiate officers from enlisted.
'When I think about it, that’s how we are. The officers eat last. It’s about the soldiers,' [General Robert] Brown said. 'I think that’s why they did it back then, and we kind of got away from it and started being too separate.'''
His comments don't really convey actuality. He implies that the similarity in officer and enlisted uniforms was something "we got away from [it] and started being too separate". That's totally erroneous! Why? "Back then", only officers were authorized to wear pinks and greens (the new AGU) anyway! Enlisted personnel could only wear some version of a complete olive drab dress uniform. What could be more separate than that? Stripes down the side of the pants were irrelevant. Also, rank placement has always been upper arm for enlisted and shoulder for officer going back to uniforms of the Civil War and probably earlier, so that's not even worthy of discussion.
Also, if you look closely, you'll notice that the officer jacket still has a mohair stripe at the cuff. That's a differentiating factor not discussed. Lastly, and on a personal note, I think it's a mistake to remove the scrambled eggs from field grade and general officers' service caps, but that's just me.
CPT Michael Barden SGT (Join to see) MSgt John Taylor SFC William Farrell COL Mikel J. Burroughs SP5 Mark Kuzinski Lt Col Charlie Brown LTC John Mohor SGT John " Mac " McConnell
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SFC William Farrell
I like to LTC Stephen C. may have to get a set before Im too old to wear them! LOL
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SFC William Farrell
LTC Stephen C. - It looks like only the guy on the far right has branch insignia. Perhaps that was regulation back then?
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LTC Stephen C.
SFC William Farrell, for many years general officers could wear their basic branch insignia if they so desired. I don't know if that's still the case or not, but I think not.
There was also a time when general officers could prescribe their own uniform, but those days are over as well.
There was also a time when general officers could prescribe their own uniform, but those days are over as well.
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LTC Stephen C. - Today it depends on the general officer's assignment and whether they are a prior chief of staff.
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Like LTC Stephen C. I like it and wish they would have kept this uniform throughout the years.
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LTC Stephen C.
You're correct, MSgt John Taylor. During WWII, the uniform was for officers only, and it was unofficially called "pinks and greens".
Ken Kraetzer
Ken Kraetzer
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