Posted on Feb 6, 2019
Local LGBTQ advocate discusses problems with the recent transgender military ban
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The idea that we should or shouldn't be letting trans people serve for whatever reasons is irrelevant. They are currently serving, and despite how you feel about that, it's not going to change. They've been in the US Armed Forces since the inception of the nation, that's a historical fact.
Maybe you can target the 1,000 or so that are currently out and transitioning, but not the ones still in the closet. Those people will have to spend years in hostile environments looking over their own shoulders and worrying about whether or not anyone knows the truth. The harder you make it for the 10% that are out, the harder it will be for the 90% who aren't and whom you can't directly target.
Why not let them serve then? If you can't kick them out, and if they're going to be there regardless, at least make it easier for them. All of you keep going on and on about how the military is going to implode if we do, but the same thing was said before we ended segregation in the 50s, and it didn't. The same thing was said when we let females enlist as infantry, but it didn't. Everyone from the Marine Commandant to the American Legion said the same thing when we started letting gays serve openly a *decade* ago, but guess what?
Nobody cared.
In the *three years* we've allowed trans people to serve in our military openly, there have been a sum total of ZERO ISSUES. In the 30 years our NATO allies have allowed it, there have been ZERO ISSUES. This "ban", is a solution searching for a problem that doesn't exist.
Maybe you can target the 1,000 or so that are currently out and transitioning, but not the ones still in the closet. Those people will have to spend years in hostile environments looking over their own shoulders and worrying about whether or not anyone knows the truth. The harder you make it for the 10% that are out, the harder it will be for the 90% who aren't and whom you can't directly target.
Why not let them serve then? If you can't kick them out, and if they're going to be there regardless, at least make it easier for them. All of you keep going on and on about how the military is going to implode if we do, but the same thing was said before we ended segregation in the 50s, and it didn't. The same thing was said when we let females enlist as infantry, but it didn't. Everyone from the Marine Commandant to the American Legion said the same thing when we started letting gays serve openly a *decade* ago, but guess what?
Nobody cared.
In the *three years* we've allowed trans people to serve in our military openly, there have been a sum total of ZERO ISSUES. In the 30 years our NATO allies have allowed it, there have been ZERO ISSUES. This "ban", is a solution searching for a problem that doesn't exist.
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"Fuel the fire of evil..." Are you serious? This isn't discrimination. This is making sure the military doesn't lose its strength because of what liberal social media thinks. Read what's below and tell me honestly that we should let trans people in just willy-nilly. This matter deserves to be looked into. The military struggles enough as it is to combat suicide among veterans. Why would they recruit any one group of people that has a higher probability of it from the get go?
From Psychology Today:
Individuals who identify as transgender tend to experience higher rates of mental health issues than the general population. While approximately 6.7 percent of the general United States population suffers from depression and 18 percent grapple with some iteration of an anxiety disorder, nearly half of all individuals who identify as transgender experience these issues. What's more, over 41 percent of trans men and women are estimated to have attempted suicide — a rate that's nearly nine times as high as the rate of cisgender Americans.
From Psychology Today:
Individuals who identify as transgender tend to experience higher rates of mental health issues than the general population. While approximately 6.7 percent of the general United States population suffers from depression and 18 percent grapple with some iteration of an anxiety disorder, nearly half of all individuals who identify as transgender experience these issues. What's more, over 41 percent of trans men and women are estimated to have attempted suicide — a rate that's nearly nine times as high as the rate of cisgender Americans.
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MSgt Michael Smith - Yes, you do. Please show me the evidence that says all combat vets should be discharged from service.
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SSgt Addison R. - That's a good point. If we had accurate numbers of trans service members currently serving I think that would be very beneficial.
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MAJ (Join to see)
SSgt Addison R. - Makes sense. It's a tricky situation for sure. And with our government (and society to some degree) seemingly split into two opposite sides, things like this are likely not going to be settled quickly. But that's a whole other can of worms.
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SSgt Addison R. I'm with you. If you and I served together I'd die for you and believe you'd die for me. That's what I want from all my troops. Politics, religion, sexual orientation, etc. are important topics but they don't belong on the battlefield. I want people who add to the combat power of my company. If a person can do that, I've got a place for you.
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Membership within our military have never been about equality. Please provide evidence, in history, where the military accepts all equally.
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SSgt Addison R. - American Psychology Association. "Transgender and gender-variant people have a variety of concerns for which they may seek the assistance of psychologists. In addition to the usual problems that may bring any individual to therapy, transgender and gender-variant people often seek professional help in understanding their gender identities and patterns of gender expression and in addressing the complex social and relational issues that are affected by these."
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SSgt Addison R. - NPR. "Experiencing the world as a different gender than the one assigned to you at birth can take a toll. Nearly all research into transgender individuals' mental health shows poorer outcomes. A study looking specifically at transgender women, predominantly women of color, only further confirms that reality."
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SSgt Addison R. - I agree that people should be treated as individuals. I think that will be an issue with the military as it always is. The military typically makes broad strokes with this sort of stuff. Just like with drug use. They'll come out and say that no one with prior drug use can join and by doing that they cut out the kid who smoked weed one time and regretted it as well as the habitual user.
I want to be clear that I'm not against serving side by side with a trans soldier. But the issues that could arise need to be addressed. Because guys like me want their companies to be as strong as possible. If the data I'm seeing is bad data (and it very well could be) we need new data.
I want to be clear that I'm not against serving side by side with a trans soldier. But the issues that could arise need to be addressed. Because guys like me want their companies to be as strong as possible. If the data I'm seeing is bad data (and it very well could be) we need new data.
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SSgt Addison R. - I agree. Generalizing people isn't fair. I also know that there are other motives for people to support this ban besides whether these guys and gals are fit for duty or not. That's not fair either.
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