Posted on Oct 3, 2019
Napolitano: Trump's admitted contact with Ukraine is a crime
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When the President called upon Russia to find Clinton's lost emails, I thought it was a joke and said so. I have said the President should not be impeached, it should be left to the electorate to decide. Then the call memo of the President's phone call with the President of Ukraine came out and I thought it was sufficiently vague that Trump would not be impeached. Now the President has called on China on national TV to investigate the Bidens. This latest statement by the President is enough for me. I now have a new opinion about what the President is capable of doing. After seeing the very conservative judge from Fox News say, flat out, that the President committed a crime which is impeachable, I have to rethink my position on this. I may very well have been wrong all along about this. I don't like the idea of impeachment but I also have a strong dislike for a President calling on foreign governments to investigate our Presidential candidates
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Trump thinks he is omnipotent as he lied so much, we have become desensitized. The Federal Government has been corrupted by his authoritative leadership and advisors protect him. Ethics does not matter to him. He has no decorum as he trashes people when things are not going his way. I wonder if a man who uses non-profit funds for himself and has filed Corporate Bankruptcy six times due to the debt level has the constitution of being a good leader and president.
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SP5 Dennis Loberger Has anyone else made motions towards investigating these opportunistic, pecuniarily beneficial foreign contacts by citizens?
Were Kerry’s outreaches to foreign countries after he left office ignored?
Does anyone except the POTUS give a rat’s ass about America.
If he is so dirty, why can’t BS’er Schiff do anything but rail against Trump? Schiff flails - and I guess feels good about himself. Schiff has not brought forward anything except hot air, despite being a featured accuser of our POTUS!
Were Kerry’s outreaches to foreign countries after he left office ignored?
Does anyone except the POTUS give a rat’s ass about America.
If he is so dirty, why can’t BS’er Schiff do anything but rail against Trump? Schiff flails - and I guess feels good about himself. Schiff has not brought forward anything except hot air, despite being a featured accuser of our POTUS!
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SP5 Dennis Loberger
CSM Charles Hayden I understand your preference. If you follow my evolution of thought, I too began there. The President's own statements have put that in question. I am fighting my inherent antipathy for cognitive dissonance and attempting to see beyond that. It would be much easier for me, particularly on this site, to continue to state that I have faith even if I don't. I was on the right side of the fence. I now walk atop it. Which direction I fall is dependent solely on the facts. I will not fall based on opinion, conjecture or wishful thinking. I love this country enough to bear the slings and arrows that come with a divergence of opinion in this time of ours if that is necessary
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Cpl Mark McMiller
SP5 Dennis Loberger - LOL, I'm not even going to begin to try to respond to your wall of text; that's why paragraphs are a thing. I'm going to just sit back with my popcorn and watch this all play out. But here's some of why Trump said China should investigate: https://www.citizenfreepress.com/column-2/peter-schweizer-with-mark-levin-biden-family-chinese-secret/
Peter Schweizer with Mark Levin… Biden In China – CITIZEN FREE PRESSPeter Schweizer with Mark...
America's Front Page For Political News
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SP5 Dennis Loberger
Cpl Mark McMiller , thanks for the share. The question remains, since he could have called for this in 2017 but didn't, isn't he doing it now because Biden is his premier opponent? What you believe determines where you come down on this. I too will watch this play out, but without the popcorn
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Cpl Mark McMiller
SP5 Dennis Loberger - I think he's doing it now because a lot of this information wasn't known and has recently come to light. Remember that Joe Biden and the mainstream media originally painted this, and continue to do so, as Biden doing nothing wrong.
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I'm confused about something. Is it OK for the last POTUS to silently undermine, and spy on the upcoming candidate yet it is not OK to investigate that possible crime? Not defending Trump, asking a legitimate question. IMHO this is how the evil done in office is swept under the rug. I WANT THE MESS CLEANED UP. ALL GUILTY PARTIES.
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Cpl Mark McMiller
SP5 Dennis Loberger - Your analogy isn't relevant to what actually happened. David jumping in puddles wasn't meant to, nor did it, harm you. The last POTUS intended to and did harm the current POTUS and ended up harming our nation in the process. Trump is justified in using every means at his disposal to turn over every stone.
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Cpl Mark McMiller
MAJ James Woods - Really? So who tipped off the FBI? And how do you justify the FBI relying solely on the Steele dossier to obtain the FISA warrant to spy on the Trump campaign when the FBI knew the dossier was unsubstantiated information commissioned and paid for by Trump's political rivals in order to smear him -- information that the FBI unlawfully failed to disclose to the FISA court. The FBI knew the Steele dossier was bullshit because Deputy Assistant Secretary of State Kathleen Kavalec told them as much in an email eight days prior to them seeking the FISA warrant. And, by the way, with all due respect, only a fool believes the Dem spin talking point that what the FBI did was not spying, as it most assuredly was by any definition of of the word.
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MAJ James Woods
Cpl Mark McMiller Not that sorry ass lame argument again. Ya will never accept the Steele dossier was just one piece of evidence submitted with other probable cause evidence for one FISA warrant. So what’s your excuse about the other FISA warrants that were renewed based on other submitted evidence? You do acknowledge new evidence was submitted with each renewal. Now if you’re done with your conspiracy BS and trashing our federal law enforcement.
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Cpl Mark McMiller
MAJ James Woods - Okay, go ahead and list any and all the other evidence that was submitted with the Steele Dossier to get the Carter Page warrant. Go ahead and list each other FISA warrant along with the evidence that was submitted to obtain it. And go ahead and answer the questions I've already asked you: Who tipped off the FBI? How do you justify the FBI using the Steele Dossier as evidence to obtain a warrant when they knew it was nothing but unsubstantiated opposition research commissioned and paid for by Trump's political rivals? And how do you justify the FBI violating federal law by not disclosing to the FISA court that information as well as the fact that they had been advised by the State Department that the Steele Dossier was bullshit?
I'm not trashing federal law enforcement. I'm trashing criminals who trashed federal law enforcement by committing wrongdoing under the color of law. If you can't see the difference, you're part of the problem.
I'm not trashing federal law enforcement. I'm trashing criminals who trashed federal law enforcement by committing wrongdoing under the color of law. If you can't see the difference, you're part of the problem.
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Judge Napolitano has been railing against Trump for the past year. The great thing about our country is everyone has a voice. This will all sort itself out after Trump leaves office in 2024. MAGA.
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1. His comment about HRC's emails was a joke and only dullards would think otherwise. There are plenty of them out there.
2. The transcript of the call reveals nothing illegal or unethical. No one has stated what law or statute was broken because none were. This is simply a political disagreement going radioactive.
3. The comment about China investigating Biden was a remark, made in public not a formal request made to anyone in China.
You are simply putting plus signs between unrelated items and acting like they form an equation.
Ask yourself this question. If Biden wasn't running for office would it be okay for the DOJ to look into Biden and his son's activities in the Ukraine? Keep in mind, the president is the head of the executive branch which is the chief law enforcement office in the land. The DOJ is an office of the executive branch.
If it would be okay to look into this if he was not running for office but it is not okay to look into this because he is running for office then running for office allows him immunity from potential corruption and possible crimes? I don't think so.
It is not Trump's fault that Biden chose to have his son benefit from two areas of the world that Obama put him in charge of (China and Ukraine). It is undeniable that Hunter Biden benefited greatly (financially) from the deals in China and Ukraine and there is no reason to believe either of these deals would have come to fruition without his father using his position as VP of the US. Joe Biden owns any impropriety and/or the appearance of impropriety on all of this, period. Stop acting like Trump is making up things and being unfair to Joe Biden. The only corruption here, if any, is on the part of Joe and Hunter Biden.
2. The transcript of the call reveals nothing illegal or unethical. No one has stated what law or statute was broken because none were. This is simply a political disagreement going radioactive.
3. The comment about China investigating Biden was a remark, made in public not a formal request made to anyone in China.
You are simply putting plus signs between unrelated items and acting like they form an equation.
Ask yourself this question. If Biden wasn't running for office would it be okay for the DOJ to look into Biden and his son's activities in the Ukraine? Keep in mind, the president is the head of the executive branch which is the chief law enforcement office in the land. The DOJ is an office of the executive branch.
If it would be okay to look into this if he was not running for office but it is not okay to look into this because he is running for office then running for office allows him immunity from potential corruption and possible crimes? I don't think so.
It is not Trump's fault that Biden chose to have his son benefit from two areas of the world that Obama put him in charge of (China and Ukraine). It is undeniable that Hunter Biden benefited greatly (financially) from the deals in China and Ukraine and there is no reason to believe either of these deals would have come to fruition without his father using his position as VP of the US. Joe Biden owns any impropriety and/or the appearance of impropriety on all of this, period. Stop acting like Trump is making up things and being unfair to Joe Biden. The only corruption here, if any, is on the part of Joe and Hunter Biden.
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SP5 Dennis Loberger
I'm sorry you missed it, it has, in fact, been stated that what law he broke. It is against the law to solicit anything of value, whether accepted or not, that would affect an election. Sometimes 1+1+1 actually equals 3. Points 1 and 2 of your response simply restated what I stated. Saying I may have to rethink my position states I have not yet done so. If your implication is that I am a dullard, so be it. I will not resort to those tactics.
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Cpl Jeff N.
SP5 Dennis Loberger -
I didn't say you were a dullard on point one only people that have no sense of humor and saw that as some sort of plea to the Russians to hack her server are dullards.
What of value was solicited? Which statute/law was broken? Saying one was does not make it so.
I didn't say you were a dullard on point one only people that have no sense of humor and saw that as some sort of plea to the Russians to hack her server are dullards.
What of value was solicited? Which statute/law was broken? Saying one was does not make it so.
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China should investigate the Bidens. Our DoJ should investigate the Bidens, if they aren't already doing it.
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