Posted on Aug 7, 2024
'Ordinary Citizens' Don't Need 'Weapons Of War' or 'High-Capacity' Magazines, Yeah About That.......
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"Democrat politicians are quick to insist that “ordinary citizens” don’t need “weapons of war” nor “high-capacity” magazines.
They love cynical sound-bites like, “No one needs ten bullets to kill a deer” (as if we were even talking about sport shooting)."
I get tired of hearing statements like those above. Let me break it down for you. The 2A was included by the founders when the realized that had it not been for all the privately owned firearms in the hands of the Colonists, there wouldn't have been a new American Nation. The "Arms" they were guaranteeing your Rights to were the very arms that were used to Kill British troops and win the war. The 2A is not about hunting, it never was. It's about having the ability to kill Enemies, both Foreign and Domestic, on American soil. As such, it is about "weapons of war" and an Americans right to 'Keep and Bear" such weapons. The "Shall not be Infringed" part means if someone is trying to confiscate them, from Law Abiding Citizens, they have become the aggressor. I don't know that I can say it any more bluntly than that. If you're a Hoplophobe go back to your Hobbit Hole and let the adults take care of the adult things. There will never be a world of rainbows and Unicorn kisses. You can dream about it all day long and throw all you money in a wishing well. At the end of the day day you'll just be broke.
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SPC Gary Welch, SGT Mark Anderson,
CPL Douglas Chrysler, LTC Trent Klug,
CSM Charles Hayden, SMSgt David A Asbury,
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SSG Michael Noll, MAJ Dale E. Wilson, Ph.D.
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They love cynical sound-bites like, “No one needs ten bullets to kill a deer” (as if we were even talking about sport shooting)."
I get tired of hearing statements like those above. Let me break it down for you. The 2A was included by the founders when the realized that had it not been for all the privately owned firearms in the hands of the Colonists, there wouldn't have been a new American Nation. The "Arms" they were guaranteeing your Rights to were the very arms that were used to Kill British troops and win the war. The 2A is not about hunting, it never was. It's about having the ability to kill Enemies, both Foreign and Domestic, on American soil. As such, it is about "weapons of war" and an Americans right to 'Keep and Bear" such weapons. The "Shall not be Infringed" part means if someone is trying to confiscate them, from Law Abiding Citizens, they have become the aggressor. I don't know that I can say it any more bluntly than that. If you're a Hoplophobe go back to your Hobbit Hole and let the adults take care of the adult things. There will never be a world of rainbows and Unicorn kisses. You can dream about it all day long and throw all you money in a wishing well. At the end of the day day you'll just be broke.
SGT James Murphy, CPT Jack Durish,
SPC Gary Welch, SGT Mark Anderson,
CPL Douglas Chrysler, LTC Trent Klug,
CSM Charles Hayden, SMSgt David A Asbury,
SSG William Jones,
SSG Michael Noll, MAJ Dale E. Wilson, Ph.D.
SGM Erik Marquez, CW3 Harvey K.
SFC William Farrell, CPL Ronald Keyes Jr
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'Ordinary Citizens' Don't Need 'Weapons Of War' or 'High-Capacity' Magazines, Yeah About That.......
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Well I do not consider myself an "Ordinary Citizen" given that I'm part of the LESS than 1% who have served in the US MILITARY especially given that I have either pulled the trigger or pushed the button on nearly everything the Army has in inventory and systems that never made it to the field. Be that as it may the Bill of Rights are GUARANTEED INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS afforded all citizens of the U.S.A.
Therefore no one has the Right to determine what I need or do not need. That is my decision and mine alone.
Therefore no one has the Right to determine what I need or do not need. That is my decision and mine alone.
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"It's about having the ability to kill Enemies, both Foreign and Domestic, on American soil. "
And who is to determine who those may be?
And who is to determine who those may be?
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MSG Stan Hutchison
Maj John Bell - That will only happen if Trump wins.
By the way, the Veteran population is only about 6%, scattered across the nation and globe. I envy you the participation in your VFW/A.L. I too live in a small town and have most of my life. Don't see those numbers much anymore.
Thanks for the polite conversation. Have a nice evening.
By the way, the Veteran population is only about 6%, scattered across the nation and globe. I envy you the participation in your VFW/A.L. I too live in a small town and have most of my life. Don't see those numbers much anymore.
Thanks for the polite conversation. Have a nice evening.
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Maj John Bell
MSG Stan Hutchison No, it will happen if democrats are allowed to
_weaponize bureaucracies,
_use lawfare to attack/intimidate the opposition,
_create a federal Disinformation Governance Board,
_pressure social media outlets to censor speech and
_subsume news organizations as a PR arm of the democrat elite.
6% of 333 million Americans is about 20 million, that's a lot of veterans that have had some level of military training.
Communist China has the largest army in the world. The entire standing army of communist China (active, reservist and paramilitary) is about 3 million. Do you think their military planners ignore the fact that the U.S. has 1/3 of all the privately owned weapons in the world stored in our homes?
_weaponize bureaucracies,
_use lawfare to attack/intimidate the opposition,
_create a federal Disinformation Governance Board,
_pressure social media outlets to censor speech and
_subsume news organizations as a PR arm of the democrat elite.
6% of 333 million Americans is about 20 million, that's a lot of veterans that have had some level of military training.
Communist China has the largest army in the world. The entire standing army of communist China (active, reservist and paramilitary) is about 3 million. Do you think their military planners ignore the fact that the U.S. has 1/3 of all the privately owned weapons in the world stored in our homes?
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MSG Stan Hutchison
Maj John Bell - 1. Democrats are NOT doing any of what you post. That is just your opinion which I disagree with.
2. I am sure not all those Veterans own firearms.
3. I do not believe at present China has any intention of invading the US. They make too much money from us to do so.
4. At present I do not believe any country intends to invade us, and our personal weapons are not the reason why.
5. This takes me right back to my opinion that stocking up on guns to "protect" our nation is a fabrication of the NRA and firearms producers.
2. I am sure not all those Veterans own firearms.
3. I do not believe at present China has any intention of invading the US. They make too much money from us to do so.
4. At present I do not believe any country intends to invade us, and our personal weapons are not the reason why.
5. This takes me right back to my opinion that stocking up on guns to "protect" our nation is a fabrication of the NRA and firearms producers.
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Maj John Bell
MSG Stan Hutchison -
1. And that is just your opinion which I disagree with.
-Lois Lerner and the IRS, In 2013, the United States Internal Revenue Service (IRS), under the Obama administration, revealed that it had selected political groups applying for tax-exempt status for intensive scrutiny based on their names or political themes. Source: The New York Times, "In Targeting Political Groups, I.R.S. Crossed Party Lines". Alan Rappeport, October 5, 2017.
-Senator Schumer was also one of a number of Democrat Senators who signed a 2012 letter to the IRS demanding they be more aggressive against conservative organizations. Source: Forbes, "Obama's Weaponization of Government" Tom Basile, Jan 31, 2014
-Covert ":Operation Choke Point" administered through the Departments of Justice and Treasury, the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC) settled multiple lawsuits by promising to Congress additional training for its examiners and to cease issuing "informal" and "unwritten suggestions" to banks. Issa, Darrell (May 29, 2014). "The Department of Justice's Source: Committee on Oversight and Government Reform. U.S. House of Representatives. "Operation Choke Point": Illegally Choking Off Legitimate Businesses?" December 6, 2014
-"the DOJ prosecuted at least 26 pro-life individuals in 2022 but zero activists “who obstructed or vandalized pregnancy care centers Source: Daily caller, "EXCLUSIVE: DOJ Data Confirms Conservative Fears Biden Weaponized Justice System" Eireann Van Natta, July 30, 2024
-Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) President Margaret Huang bragged in 2021 that the Biden administration had reached out to her organization in its efforts to combat “the domestic terrorism threat. ”SPLC has redirected the program it used to bankrupt Ku Klux Klan organizations to target mainstream conservative and Christian groups like Alliance Defending Freedom, the Center for Immigration Studies, Moms for Liberty, and the Family Research Council." Source The Daily Signal, "Ted Cruz Exposes Biden’s ‘Woke and Weaponized Bureaucracy’", Tyler O'Neil, January 23, 2024
-The Biden administration's Disinformation Governance Board, Board head Nina Jankowicz resigned as result of public backlash.
Just from progressive and civil libertarian voices
_ Benjamin Hart, writing in New York Magazine's Intelligencer, said that "presenting anyone from the government as an arbiter of truth in 2022 — much less defining 'disinformation' in a way that more than 40 percent of the population would agree with — seemed doomed from the get-go
_ Lev Golinkin, writing in the progressive magazine The Nation, highlighted Jankowicz's previous association with the fact-checking organization StopFake, which Golinkin accused of defending the Ukrainian Azov Battalion and S14 groups, the latter of which is known for its violent attacks against Romani people.
_ Common Dreams and Fairness & Accuracy in Reporting (FAIR) criticized mainstream media coverage of the board, saying that it ignored left-wing criticism of the board and past human rights abuses and violence by the DHS and other agencies under the DHS, including violence against immigrants, Muslims, Black Lives Matter protestors, and other activists.
_ Joe Lancaster, editor of the libertarian magazine Reason, called the board a potential threat to free speech, and also highlighted Jankowicz's comments regarding the Biden laptop story.
_Kevin Goldberg, a specialist in the First Amendment at the non-partisan Freedom Forum, said that it was "wrong and concerning" that a government agency with enforcement powers created in response to 9/11 would become involved in decisions surrounding speech
I've got more, do you want them?>
2. All those veterans don't need to be armed, they just need to know someone who is, and who has more firearms than they can personally carry and employ. Nearly half of all veterans own one or more firearms (44.9%, 95% CI 41.3–48.6%), with male veterans more commonly owning firearms than do female veterans (47.2%, 95% CI 43.4–51.0% versus 24.4%, 95%CI 15.6–36.1%). Most veteran firearm owners own both handguns and long guns (56.5%, 95% CI 51.1–61.8%); a majority cite protection as a primary reason for firearm ownership (63.1%, 95% CI 58.2–67.8%). [Note that these are just the ones that admit to owning firearms. How many own firearms but don't trust the government with that information?]
Source: Injury Epidemiology Journal, National library of Medicine, 2017 Dec; 4: 3"Firearm ownership among American veterans: findings from the 2015 National Firearm Survey," Emily C. Cleveland, Deborah Azrael, Joseph A. Simonetti, and Matthew Miller
3. Do I think a ground war on US soil with China is imminent? No. but how long would it take to arm the populace to the current level if they were disarmed? You don't buy a tire iron and a car jack the day before you get a flat tire.
What do you propose?
-Permissible Weapons
-Max number of weapons possessed per individual
-Max ammunition number of rounds possessed per individual
-Rules of engagement in applying deadly force with a firearm.
Do you oppose "Castle Doctrine?"
Are you in agreement with the Minnesota state Supreme Court that "duty to retreat" if possible, renders self-defense arguments null and void?
1. And that is just your opinion which I disagree with.
-Lois Lerner and the IRS, In 2013, the United States Internal Revenue Service (IRS), under the Obama administration, revealed that it had selected political groups applying for tax-exempt status for intensive scrutiny based on their names or political themes. Source: The New York Times, "In Targeting Political Groups, I.R.S. Crossed Party Lines". Alan Rappeport, October 5, 2017.
-Senator Schumer was also one of a number of Democrat Senators who signed a 2012 letter to the IRS demanding they be more aggressive against conservative organizations. Source: Forbes, "Obama's Weaponization of Government" Tom Basile, Jan 31, 2014
-Covert ":Operation Choke Point" administered through the Departments of Justice and Treasury, the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC) settled multiple lawsuits by promising to Congress additional training for its examiners and to cease issuing "informal" and "unwritten suggestions" to banks. Issa, Darrell (May 29, 2014). "The Department of Justice's Source: Committee on Oversight and Government Reform. U.S. House of Representatives. "Operation Choke Point": Illegally Choking Off Legitimate Businesses?" December 6, 2014
-"the DOJ prosecuted at least 26 pro-life individuals in 2022 but zero activists “who obstructed or vandalized pregnancy care centers Source: Daily caller, "EXCLUSIVE: DOJ Data Confirms Conservative Fears Biden Weaponized Justice System" Eireann Van Natta, July 30, 2024
-Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) President Margaret Huang bragged in 2021 that the Biden administration had reached out to her organization in its efforts to combat “the domestic terrorism threat. ”SPLC has redirected the program it used to bankrupt Ku Klux Klan organizations to target mainstream conservative and Christian groups like Alliance Defending Freedom, the Center for Immigration Studies, Moms for Liberty, and the Family Research Council." Source The Daily Signal, "Ted Cruz Exposes Biden’s ‘Woke and Weaponized Bureaucracy’", Tyler O'Neil, January 23, 2024
-The Biden administration's Disinformation Governance Board, Board head Nina Jankowicz resigned as result of public backlash.
Just from progressive and civil libertarian voices
_ Benjamin Hart, writing in New York Magazine's Intelligencer, said that "presenting anyone from the government as an arbiter of truth in 2022 — much less defining 'disinformation' in a way that more than 40 percent of the population would agree with — seemed doomed from the get-go
_ Lev Golinkin, writing in the progressive magazine The Nation, highlighted Jankowicz's previous association with the fact-checking organization StopFake, which Golinkin accused of defending the Ukrainian Azov Battalion and S14 groups, the latter of which is known for its violent attacks against Romani people.
_ Common Dreams and Fairness & Accuracy in Reporting (FAIR) criticized mainstream media coverage of the board, saying that it ignored left-wing criticism of the board and past human rights abuses and violence by the DHS and other agencies under the DHS, including violence against immigrants, Muslims, Black Lives Matter protestors, and other activists.
_ Joe Lancaster, editor of the libertarian magazine Reason, called the board a potential threat to free speech, and also highlighted Jankowicz's comments regarding the Biden laptop story.
_Kevin Goldberg, a specialist in the First Amendment at the non-partisan Freedom Forum, said that it was "wrong and concerning" that a government agency with enforcement powers created in response to 9/11 would become involved in decisions surrounding speech
I've got more, do you want them?>
2. All those veterans don't need to be armed, they just need to know someone who is, and who has more firearms than they can personally carry and employ. Nearly half of all veterans own one or more firearms (44.9%, 95% CI 41.3–48.6%), with male veterans more commonly owning firearms than do female veterans (47.2%, 95% CI 43.4–51.0% versus 24.4%, 95%CI 15.6–36.1%). Most veteran firearm owners own both handguns and long guns (56.5%, 95% CI 51.1–61.8%); a majority cite protection as a primary reason for firearm ownership (63.1%, 95% CI 58.2–67.8%). [Note that these are just the ones that admit to owning firearms. How many own firearms but don't trust the government with that information?]
Source: Injury Epidemiology Journal, National library of Medicine, 2017 Dec; 4: 3"Firearm ownership among American veterans: findings from the 2015 National Firearm Survey," Emily C. Cleveland, Deborah Azrael, Joseph A. Simonetti, and Matthew Miller
3. Do I think a ground war on US soil with China is imminent? No. but how long would it take to arm the populace to the current level if they were disarmed? You don't buy a tire iron and a car jack the day before you get a flat tire.
What do you propose?
-Permissible Weapons
-Max number of weapons possessed per individual
-Max ammunition number of rounds possessed per individual
-Rules of engagement in applying deadly force with a firearm.
Do you oppose "Castle Doctrine?"
Are you in agreement with the Minnesota state Supreme Court that "duty to retreat" if possible, renders self-defense arguments null and void?
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