Posted on Aug 30, 2023
Republicans face a Catch-22 on a national abortion ban
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https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/4176606-republicans-face-a-catch-22-on-a-national-abortion-ban/#:~:text=Republicans%20will%20not%20have%20the,against%20such%20a%20bill%20anyway.
Of course, it wouldn’t be a Republican debate without at least some discussion about abortion.
Candidates in both parties have to pay lip service to the issue, if only to placate their respective bases. But the truth of the matter is that neither side is going to be able to do anything about the issue at a national level. And unfortunately, the Republicans’ current messaging on this topic is working in Democrats’ favor.
Republicans have to talk about this issue at least a little bit. But anything they promise to do in Congress undercuts the arguments conservatives had been making throughout the life of Roe v. Wade — that it was horribly decided and had to be overturned, and that the issue should ultimately be returned to the states.
That happened with the Dobbs decision. Once that was handed down, the pro-life fight moved to the states and began in earnest.
Of course, it wouldn’t be a Republican debate without at least some discussion about abortion.
Candidates in both parties have to pay lip service to the issue, if only to placate their respective bases. But the truth of the matter is that neither side is going to be able to do anything about the issue at a national level. And unfortunately, the Republicans’ current messaging on this topic is working in Democrats’ favor.
Republicans have to talk about this issue at least a little bit. But anything they promise to do in Congress undercuts the arguments conservatives had been making throughout the life of Roe v. Wade — that it was horribly decided and had to be overturned, and that the issue should ultimately be returned to the states.
That happened with the Dobbs decision. Once that was handed down, the pro-life fight moved to the states and began in earnest.
Republicans face a Catch-22 on a national abortion ban
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A large part of the problem on the "Abortion" issue is that it has become one of those totally binary issues. You must be totally for unlimited government-paid from conception to the instant of birth abortions or totally against any sort of abortion at any time under any circumstances. Absolutely no rational intermediate position is recognized.
Perhaps this is good in one way, because if we started talking rationally about abortion we would eventually have to admit that the only argument in favor of government-funded abortion is the completely pragmatic fact that it is less expensive for the government to pay for repeated abortions for stupid women than to pay them to raise more kids on the government dole -- and to acknowledge the racial impact of that decision.
As a lower-case libertarian, I view abortion as a moral issue. Like most moral issues, it should not be a concern of the government - especially when there is no consensus on key questions. To me, a woman should have as much right to an abortion as she does to any other elective medical procedure that is not medically necessary. But that's where the real debate arises. The question isn't whether or not abortion should be allowed, but who should pay for it. Abortion is almost never medically necessary. From an objective standpoint, the "right" to an abortion is about the same as the "right" to a tummy tuck or rhinoplasty.
Does it make sense for taxpayers to pay for abortions?
THAT is the question no one on either side of the "abortion" debate wants to talk about because the answer is absolutely horrific.
Perhaps this is good in one way, because if we started talking rationally about abortion we would eventually have to admit that the only argument in favor of government-funded abortion is the completely pragmatic fact that it is less expensive for the government to pay for repeated abortions for stupid women than to pay them to raise more kids on the government dole -- and to acknowledge the racial impact of that decision.
As a lower-case libertarian, I view abortion as a moral issue. Like most moral issues, it should not be a concern of the government - especially when there is no consensus on key questions. To me, a woman should have as much right to an abortion as she does to any other elective medical procedure that is not medically necessary. But that's where the real debate arises. The question isn't whether or not abortion should be allowed, but who should pay for it. Abortion is almost never medically necessary. From an objective standpoint, the "right" to an abortion is about the same as the "right" to a tummy tuck or rhinoplasty.
Does it make sense for taxpayers to pay for abortions?
THAT is the question no one on either side of the "abortion" debate wants to talk about because the answer is absolutely horrific.
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LTC Eugene Chu
BS on lack of medical necessity. There have been numerous cases where pregnancy endangers a woman's life.
https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-abortion-false-idUSL1N2TC0VD
https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-abortion-false-idUSL1N2TC0VD
Fact Check-Termination of pregnancy can be necessary to save a woman’s life, experts say
Contrary to claims made online, certain medical conditions may require the termination of a pregnancy to avoid fatal complications for the mother.
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MSG Thomas Currie
LTC Eugene Chu - Nice fallback but hardly the point. AS I SAID the vast majority of abortions in this country are NOT "medically necessary" -- the fact that SOME are medically necessary or medically advisable does not change the fact that the overwhelming majority are not.
There was a time when no one argued against abortion "to protect the life of the mother" but then that shifted to "to protect the life or health of the mother" which still sounded good, but quickly was used as a universal excuse. It was the obvious and blatant abuse that pushed the harder stance of many who oppose abortion.
Unfortunately (as I also said), abortion has become an issue where reasonable people can neither agree nor agree-to-disagree because reasonable people have been completely pushed out of the debate.
There was a time when no one argued against abortion "to protect the life of the mother" but then that shifted to "to protect the life or health of the mother" which still sounded good, but quickly was used as a universal excuse. It was the obvious and blatant abuse that pushed the harder stance of many who oppose abortion.
Unfortunately (as I also said), abortion has become an issue where reasonable people can neither agree nor agree-to-disagree because reasonable people have been completely pushed out of the debate.
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