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Posted on Aug 15, 2018
SGT Joseph Gunderson
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As a Ph.D educator, I agree NCO’s and Officers can make excellent educators. As to the rest of what you were speaking about, I will go one step further. Along with the current educators I place nearly all the responsibilities on the parents that do not hold the education system they pay for accountable. Vigilance in your child’s education is your (the parents) responsibility. IMHO...
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Sgt Bob Sutherland
Sgt Bob Sutherland
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As an MS + 30 semester hours educator, I find the OP’s “current educator” comment out of line. Included among current educators, one can find a range of expertise from those new to education to those that have been teaching for years. All have one thing in common — success in the classroom is now measured by students passing standardized tests. In order to be considered to be effective, administrators look at passing rates (even though students do not do the work required for the course) and the percentage of students passing these ridiculous tests. Take away the tests (which test nothing relevant to anything), let teachers teach their subjects, and get rid of those who are not effective or not interested in teaching.
Blame the politicians who think they know how to best educate our youth and blame the administration that refuses or is unable to stand up to the politicians. Blame the parents who will mow you over at the thought that you might actually challenge their children to learn and think critically. Blame the system that would rather follow the status quo rather than do what is actually best for students. The system teaches that data is more important than the students that are being taught. I DON’T TEACH ROBOTS I TEACH HUMAN BEINGS.

Bob Sutherland
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Sgt Bob Sutherland - Amen!
I tell my students "I'm teaching you to think critically. I'm just using South Carolina History to do it."
And, though I know math and science are important (BS degree from Georgia Tech), I tell them that history/literature/economics/gov't/etc. can't be done by a computer; that's why they call them 'humanities'.
Add to that the fact that the state mandates the "essential information" and then mandates the standardized tests to make sure you teach their essential information (at least, I notice this in my state's history courses) and it grates me that I have to teach a "state-sanctioned version" of history and politics.
Did I mention an Amen to all you wrote!
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I teach, multiple areas depending on my school's greatest need. Math, science, social studies, tech & engineering. Thank you, Uncle Sam for paying for the majority of it; and for the 2 associate, 2 bachelor, master, and doctorate degrees. Thanks also for the rigorous 20 years of experiences that make me a quality NCO. I absolutely draw on my experience and education, and my students come to value my teaching philosophy. My principal doesn't completely understand my classroom leadership approach, but my students score higher on assessments and very few fail to earn credit. Because I produce results, I'm pretty much left to drive on how I see fit. I appreciate that about my principal. Parents sometimes don't like how "hard" I am on their kids, but I don't really care about my student's friendship but rather their future. I agree whole heartedly quality NCOs have potential to be quality classroom teachers.
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Sgt Les Dunaway
Sgt Les Dunaway
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Dysfunctional parents failings go beyond not kicking ass at school - they also don't kick ass at home, when the little darlings don't do home work
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SFC David Xanten
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Being loved by your students is NOT a requirement for a Military Instructor Lt Col Charlie Brown
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Lt Col Charlie Brown
Lt Col Charlie Brown
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Cpl Glynis Sakowicz I understand completely. I had trouble getting a job as a school counselor. They were afraid an AF retiree would bomb innocent children
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Lt Col Charlie Brown
Lt Col Charlie Brown
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SFC David Xanten true. While they were in his class they respected him. After they graduated they came back to say they loved him
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A good leader is a teacher. You want things done a certain way? Teach your subordinates. And, a good teacher is a leader. As to your final question: "Could these professionals become the kind of 'backbone' structure for the education system we need?" No. They'd never make it, not in America's schools and colleges. Indoctrination has replaced education there and most of us who serve/served are not welcome among them.
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SFC James Lahtonen
SFC James Lahtonen
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I agree with so much of what has been said here and totally agree that a bunch of retired service people(I hope that’s the correct verbiage) would not be welcomed with open arms to the Halls of Academia. Other things to consider are that many of the parents of young children expect teachers to raise their children and the last true interaction that they had with them was the deep sigh as they rolled off of their mother or father at conception. We now have children having children. Even many of the young adults who have children are not ready for them mentally, emotionally,or fiscally. I freely admit that there are those parents who are actively engaged in parenting,but alas I fear that they are the minority from my experience. Also when our society allows and promotes the use of poor spelling and grammar there is little a teacher can do. I have had college term papers marked up and points deducted for spelling and grammar, and this was long before spellcheck. Our local high school has a sign out front. “HOME OF THE DAWGZ” need I say more?
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2LT Gerald Dominy
2LT Gerald Dominy
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SSG(P) D. Wright Downs - my favorite exercise of operant conditioning was , EVERYBODY STAND UP ,,, you are all acting out and ACTORS deliver their lines standing on their FEET, take you books with you, start reading at page X , one by one once their feet started to be uncomfortable,, they would ask to sit. I declined their request, only to let someone next to them who had been quiet to sit down, eventually they got the message, we are not here to act out, we are here to study, I only had two punks rebel, refused to obey instructions, they were sent direct to the office AFTER I NOTIFIED THEM THEY WERE COMING AND WHY. To watch the video cameras to see that they arrived. i was working at high school level, i couldn't do this a elementary or Jr High. I also did this as a substitute. I believe this and other techniques was what got me a job as a Teachers aide later in special education classroom, i had been studying mild to moderate placement at masters level under VA Voc Rehab only to have VA VRE violate my contract and put me in a 18 month unfruitful job search, and likely cost me my marriage at the time too, Until we defund and force the Public schools to shape up or ship out via vouchers and OTHER CHOICES they will still spend money like drunken sailors and produce little results until we do, But on a good note, My school went thru restructure for failing to meet annual progress under no child left behind, new principal interviewed everybody, he brought with him a serious ethic ( i was in a inner city school 85% of one race,) but his second in command i i admired,, a USMC retired Drill Sargent, i watched the punks and gang members try and play with him and make threats, he would just get this little smirk hold his cool and work his reality training 101 on their drug fried or unused brains, he gave them the rope to hang themselves by their actions and one by one both him and the principal put them into a alternative school, which was also run by a veteran i believe too, they either shaped up settled down or quit school, alternative was run like a boot camp, The new administration led that school to become a medical magnet school and one of the best in the system from one of the worse. maybe we need to insist equal hiring or insist on a school run by military only to show what we can do., todays kids are soft, hence why snowflakes melt at first conflict,
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CPT Jack Durish
CPT Jack Durish
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SGT Joseph Gunderson - It's funny how I'm drawn back to a discussion, as when someone stumbles on it months later and votes. Then I notice a comment that interests me, such as yours. The fight to retake our schools and colleges will not be fought in classrooms and on campuses. It will be fought in the governing bodies, school boards and university regents set policy. First we'll have to attack the educational complex that has grown like a cancer in the District of Calamity. The US Dept of Education must be dismantled. Those agencies that provide government backed student loans and scholarships must likewise be trashed. Remember the Golden Rule? He who has the gold makes the rules. Then, We the People must replace the progressives at the local levels. Only then can the battles be won.
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SGT Joseph Gunderson
SGT Joseph Gunderson
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CPT Jack Durish - I don't necessarily disagree with you but I do believe that there must be a growth in the amount of of people in the professoriate - something like a 'critical mass' - that will start the change. If the entire faculty is against the board or the regents it will be a hard battle to change anything; get just enough in there that are wishing for the change and it will tip it just the right amount.
I agree wholeheartedly with your opinion of the Dept of Education. Too many idiots getting paid too much money to do nothing of real value. Education should be taken up by the states (at most) and the government as a whole should be as far removed as possible.
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