Posted on Aug 22, 2015
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The Army is toughening up its up-or-out rules for sergeants first class and master sergeants, effective Oct. 1.

Under a policy change that takes effect Oct. 1 for soldiers of the Regular Army and Active Guard and Reserve, the retention control point for promotable sergeants first class will be reduced from 29 years of active service to 26, and for promotable master sergeants from 32 to 29 years.
Check out this article from Army Times:

Army tightens tenure rules for senior NCOs

http://www.armytimes.com/story/military/careers/army/enlisted/2015/08/20/army-tightens-tenure-rules-senior-ncos/32005119/
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PO1 William "Chip" Nagel
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They go up and down with the situation. More Wars or whatever we are involved in with the need for more personnel the more lax they are going to be. When we are in downsizing time they get tighter. Maybe if we had been involved in a war when I retired they wouldn't have HYTd my Ass but that is just the nature of the Beast.
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PO1 William "Chip" Nagel, Thanks Chip for another good comment. This New Army is puzzling.
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I think this is a move in the right direction.
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SFC Bde Staff Nco
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The real game changer would be to limit SSGs (non promotable) to 18 years.
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I mention in another response, but with the coerciveness of the 20 year retirement system, you really can't do an 18 year mark. You're essentially (may as well be) "vested" at that point. Anyone who has 18 years, you just let them ride it to 20, or offer early retirement as though they were at 20.
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Oh I agree. I don't think it's something the Army should do, just that it would send some serious waves through the ranks.
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SCPO Joshua I
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You can't put someone out at 18 years without misconduct. US Code forbids it.
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SFC (Join to see), Why not make it 19 years and really rub it in?
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My question is this, how many Soldiers will this effect. Is this in respect to the current draw down of Soldiers. I agree that this will allow for the best Soldiers to be retained. I just wonder how it will effect the Army in its current status
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Another aspect that came to mind is how many SFC/MSG's will fall into the RCP caragory at the beginning of the fiscal year. in other words how many senior NCO's will get the pink slip
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SGT Infantryman (Airborne)
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SFC (Join to see), That's the main question on my mind. How low will they let it drop the number of senior NCO's before it stops? Then every year this will be done unless it's changed again. I'm sorry for you Senior NCO guys. Who would have thought this would happen? I hope you guys get your 20 before the axe falls.
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TSgt Joshua Copeland
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Still high compared to the AF.

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