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Okay, it's been 11 calendar months since my last leave period. I was on Rear-end, then got shoved on Gate Guard for 7 months, came back and went straight to Gunnery, now am in Master Drivers Course. I need leave, my morale is drifting and I feel like I'm getting screwed. I told my PSG I would help her for Gunnery and after that I would go on leave. Now she says "Higher came down and told everyone, they can't take leave until they have use or lose days." I have 55 Day's of leave saved up not by my fault. Am I getting screwed around?
Posted 9 y ago
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As many have already stated here, yes leave is a Right (as defined by Congressional Act) but Commanders have HUGE discretion for approval.
My best advice is to start generating a paper trail. Submit your leave request in writing on the appropriate forms. The AF had a specific form for Leave and/or Liberty. I assume the Army has similar. Submit the form, have the Commander deny in writing and then KEEP THE FORM SECURED! If/when you do end up in a use/lose situation, you'll have the evidence needed to retain those days without them being lost. Not to mention, IF it comes to an IG investigation, you'll have documented proof of denial. Without the forms, all the CO has to say is, "I never received a leave request from the SGT".
My best advice is to start generating a paper trail. Submit your leave request in writing on the appropriate forms. The AF had a specific form for Leave and/or Liberty. I assume the Army has similar. Submit the form, have the Commander deny in writing and then KEEP THE FORM SECURED! If/when you do end up in a use/lose situation, you'll have the evidence needed to retain those days without them being lost. Not to mention, IF it comes to an IG investigation, you'll have documented proof of denial. Without the forms, all the CO has to say is, "I never received a leave request from the SGT".
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PFC Pamala (Hall ) Foster
Army forms for leave is DA31. MSGT Holt is right-Paper trail is necessary for this and medical.
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Generally speaking, Leave is a RIGHT (as in Legally & Regulatory defined as a Right), compared to Liberty which is a Privilege. The Commander has LOTS of Discretion about when you can take it, based on mission.
That said, submit the papers, and let them deny it. Don't take anyone's word for it. Submit leave papers. The sooner you submit papers, the better the command can deconflict your schedule with others. No single individual is essential to mission, especially if you are giving lots of notice (outside of deployment schedule).
Citation (Army):
http://www.forthoodsentinel.com/news/military-leave-it-s-a-right-not-a-privilege-granted/article_aaa7cfad-dd88-55d5-8bf2-f491019ba6d3.html
"Leave is a right (not a privilege) that is granted by Congress under federal law."
Edit: Added Citation
That said, submit the papers, and let them deny it. Don't take anyone's word for it. Submit leave papers. The sooner you submit papers, the better the command can deconflict your schedule with others. No single individual is essential to mission, especially if you are giving lots of notice (outside of deployment schedule).
Citation (Army):
http://www.forthoodsentinel.com/news/military-leave-it-s-a-right-not-a-privilege-granted/article_aaa7cfad-dd88-55d5-8bf2-f491019ba6d3.html
"Leave is a right (not a privilege) that is granted by Congress under federal law."
Edit: Added Citation

Military leave: It’s a right, not a privilege, granted by Congress under federal law
One of the frequent questions and issues Soldiers and Family members ask the III Corps Inpector General is about leave, particularly about emergency and convalescent leave.
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Before this can actually be answered properly, a little bit more about your unit policy on leave is needed. Secondly, are you getting screwed around - probably, but are you getting screwed - probably not since you are not quite at the use or lose point. Interesting that you mentioned helping for Gunnery, being that you are an 88M (Motor Transport Operator) in what an Armor Brigade of the 1st Infantry Division. Wouldn't that be a normal part of your job? As far as attending the Master Drivers Course, do you not need that for career progression? You say that you were on Rear-end (I am taking that as you were part of the unit's rear detachment) and then spent 7 months on Gate Guard, then supported Gunnery, and now in the Master Drivers Course (local course and not the M9 course, I would venture to guess). My next question - is the unit just back from the deployment or is it still deployed? Next how is the deployment of the BCT to Korea impacting this? You say your morale is drifting; why, because you just came off Gate Guard duty then went directly into some type of training support and then to a Master Drivers Course. If it was Gate Guard duty that wore you down, what about that civilian that was either next to you or on the next over entry point? Oh wait a minute, they chose that and are well paid for that job (??). What is the outlook between now and 6 months from now? A lot of things to think about. How long have you been in this unit?
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MSG David Johnson
I think this is one of the more in depth answers.
But, to answer the original question, the answer is Yes, they can disapprove your leave.
But, to answer the original question, the answer is Yes, they can disapprove your leave.
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I went without leave from July 1988 until October 1991 because of either school commands or mission critical billets. So the answer is yes, you can be denied leave. But the command also needs to have a very clear explanation for you, why you are being denied leave, something better than nobody can take leave until they have use em or lose em days.
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Like several others have said here, leave is a right. However, commanders can determine when to allow it based on mission cycles and major training events. That should be applied equally across the board however. With the holidays coming up, what are the possibilities of taking leave around Thanksgiving or Christmas? The Army does not do a whole lot during the last 2 weeks of December and first week of January unless they are deployed or in the process of deploying.
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That's kind of a flip from units I've been to. Normally they prefer you to use your days before you have use or lose.
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SSG Warren Swan
I'm surprised 1SG hasn't inquired to his PSG why hasn't this NCO taken leave? I know the minute I even came close, I was being told to figure out when I was going to take leave, and if I went over 60, I would be filling out leave forms on the spot. Command groups don't like answering why days were taken from a Soldier.
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SGT (Join to see)
SSG Warren Swan - I'm down range now and when I return I'll be close and had to explain that I plan to take leave when I get back.
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LCDR (Join to see)
My Department Head holds Division Officers accountable if a Sailor loses leave. You had best have several counselling chits to show that you did your part.
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Leave is a right. In the Army it's the Commanders discretion. If this is the case in your unit then the answer is simple use the open door policy (every commander has one) be an adult and talk to the 1 person who can approve or disapprove your leave and explain your desire to take leave. If denied you can go higher which will only help because a CPT doesn't want to get their ass chewed daily from a LTC or Col. But they (Ltc/Col) cannot sign your DA 31, the regulation specifically gives that authority to the company/battery commander.
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Not to bust your chops, Sgt, but have you put in a leave request? As others have said, submit your request and force them to deny it in writing. It sounds to me your PSG is trying to pull a fast one on you.
Had a similar situation right before I retired. My supervisor tried to deny me leave (and I was in use/lose) and tell me I couldn't use it for what I wanted to. I told him I would submit my request and make him deny it in writing and then my next stop would be the commander's office. I took my leave. Know the appropriate written guidance not only for the Army, but for your company/division/brigade.
Had a similar situation right before I retired. My supervisor tried to deny me leave (and I was in use/lose) and tell me I couldn't use it for what I wanted to. I told him I would submit my request and make him deny it in writing and then my next stop would be the commander's office. I took my leave. Know the appropriate written guidance not only for the Army, but for your company/division/brigade.
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I answered on another post on here but I want to put it on the main question.
From looking at your profile and hearing your question, this is a question you should have been able to research and answer yourself.
From looking at your profile and hearing your question, this is a question you should have been able to research and answer yourself.
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Leave is a privilege not a right however, submit your leave form it takes two signatures to deny your leave. Put your PSG on the spot and ensure you follow up.
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SSG Donny Martin
But it is a privilege as a 14S re classed to a 42A i learned first hand. leave is a privilege even though it is earned at a rate of 2.5 days per month. I ask you this can you take leave while flagged for adverse action or flagged or what about being APFT failure the answer here is no. The command also reserves the right to deny your leave at any time. Henceforth leave is a privilege.
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SSgt (Join to see)
You are wrong. Members of the Armed Force, regardless of rank, performance record, or degree of official approval, are entitled to 30 days of paid leave each year of service. Entitled. Not privileged.
This entitlement is provisioned in public law. It is the will of the American people, ratified into the US Code by an act of Congress and signed into legal force by the President of the United States. It is part of the Federal budget. Americans are taxed to pay for it.
This means that to ignore this requirement is to ignore the law of the land. It’s a violation of the oath of service, which requires obedience to the law. It’s punishable under Article 92 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice. It’s also a failure of the most basic duty of leadership: safeguarding the morale and well-being of those entrusted to a leader’s charge.
This entitlement is provisioned in public law. It is the will of the American people, ratified into the US Code by an act of Congress and signed into legal force by the President of the United States. It is part of the Federal budget. Americans are taxed to pay for it.
This means that to ignore this requirement is to ignore the law of the land. It’s a violation of the oath of service, which requires obedience to the law. It’s punishable under Article 92 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice. It’s also a failure of the most basic duty of leadership: safeguarding the morale and well-being of those entrusted to a leader’s charge.
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A DA-31 is a REQUEST and Authority for Leave form. It's not an order nor a demand. So by definition, it can be denied. Leave isn't a right. It's an earned entitlement. That's why it's on your Leave and Earnings Statement. Although a commander can deny a request, he'll also have to face the consequences of a soldier losing any "use or loose" days.
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Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS
1SG(P) (Join to see) - Here's something from the Ft Hood IG EXPLICITLY stating it is a Right.
http://www.forthoodsentinel.com/news/military-leave-it-s-a-right-not-a-privilege-granted/article_aaa7cfad-dd88-55d5-8bf2-f491019ba6d3.html
"Leave is a right (not a privilege) that is granted by Congress under federal law."
http://www.forthoodsentinel.com/news/military-leave-it-s-a-right-not-a-privilege-granted/article_aaa7cfad-dd88-55d5-8bf2-f491019ba6d3.html
"Leave is a right (not a privilege) that is granted by Congress under federal law."

Military leave: It’s a right, not a privilege, granted by Congress under federal law
One of the frequent questions and issues Soldiers and Family members ask the III Corps Inpector General is about leave, particularly about emergency and convalescent leave.
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Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS
1SG(P) (Join to see) - And per the article "It's a Right." Commanders have lots of leeway regarding all kinds of things. Marines have the Right to a Courts Martial.. except at Sea. Have to take an NJP if they decide they want to give one there. Doesn't make it less of a Right.
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SFC (Join to see)
What I look at in this argument and it has happened more times then I can count is that a Soldier will submit a leave form and it doesn't even reach the command for approval or denial. So the DA31 stills needs to be sent to the approval authority to approval or denial.
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unless it is necessary for unit operations, leave is your right. You earn 30 days a year and have the right to use it. Are you maybe doing workups for a deployment?
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Have you actually tried talking to you commander about this? There should be a published policy letter detailing your commander's leave and pass policy and what the criteria is for approval or disapproval. It makes no sense to wait until personnel have use or lose days since that limits the flexibility of the leadership to balance the personnel with mission requirements.
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If you are currently at 55 days, then you already have use or lose. Leave is tracked by fiscal year, so any time that you will be over 60 days of leave accrued by the end of September of the current year, then you have use or lose days.
As others have stated, put in for leave now according to your unit policies, and keep the record if you are denied. Try to let your supervisor advocate for you, as it will benefit the unit more to let you take leave now than it will to make you wait for arbitrary reasons.
As others have stated, put in for leave now according to your unit policies, and keep the record if you are denied. Try to let your supervisor advocate for you, as it will benefit the unit more to let you take leave now than it will to make you wait for arbitrary reasons.
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Leave is a right. the commander has discretion as to when you take it. So assuming you have use or lose leave and request to take a few days off your commander can reject your request but if you loose leave me st be abl to justify the refusal. If there is no reasonable response it is the commanders butt on the line.if the commander has justification for refusing your leave it still goes up to DA but you have a chance to recover it.
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Why did your commander day no leaves unless you're in use/lose status? Is it due to an approaching leave block prior to deployment, out something like that? Are there any operational considerations? Did you ask when you can take leave? If so, what was the response? If there's no major event like a deployment, AND there's no designated block leave period coming up, AND the sole reason for denying you leave is that you aren't currently sitting on 40+ days of leave, then I might recommend elevating a complaint (I would normally recommend your Bn CSM before IG). But I'd want more details before making such a recommendation...
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So what is on the BDE, BN, and CO training calendar coming up? Is the unit using block leave in it? Are you among those that can use block leave? Recommend going to your PSG with those items, circle some dates, and ask which of these can my soldiers and I rotate on leave. Ask if there is a plan to allow people leave, so you can hold your leave until then. Pose it as a team player. Explain that you do not want to screw the command with last minute use/lose requests, you'd like to manage your leave like a good leader.
I can tell you stories about how Hooah I was foregoing 3 years of leave to undergird retirement, or going a whole 2 year command without it, but it blew. It didn't have to. Leave a 20-30 day balance in case of emergencies, but take some leave now and then. Missions are missions, you will always have to work around that. 45-55 days is a good trigger point to take leave.
I can tell you stories about how Hooah I was foregoing 3 years of leave to undergird retirement, or going a whole 2 year command without it, but it blew. It didn't have to. Leave a 20-30 day balance in case of emergencies, but take some leave now and then. Missions are missions, you will always have to work around that. 45-55 days is a good trigger point to take leave.
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The truth be known he probably had the opportunity for leave and chose not to go now the training calendar full he wants to go keep from going to the field give them a straw
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SGT (Join to see)
Not at all, I havent had "the time" for llave, I got off on the 1st of OCT, and went to Gunnery on the 10th - 23rd, then got sent to class on the 24th.
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