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From the Associated Press

Automakers trying to prevent hackers from commandeering cars

DETROIT (AP) -- When researchers at two West Coast universities took control of a General Motors car through cellular and Bluetooth connections in 2010, they startled the auto industry by exposing a glaring security gap.

Five years later, two friendly hackers sitting on a living room couch used a laptop computer to commandeer a Jeep from afar over the Internet, demonstrating an even scarier vulnerability.

"Cars don't seem to be any more secure than when the university guys did it," says Charlie Miller, a security expert at Twitter who, along with well-known hacker and security consultant Chris Valasek, engineered the attack on the Jeep Cherokee.

Fiat Chrysler, the maker of Jeeps, is now conducting the first recall to patch a cybersecurity problem, covering 1.4 million Jeeps. And experts and lawmakers are warning the auto industry and regulators to move faster to plug holes created by the dozens of new computers and the growing number of Internet connections in today's automobiles.

EDITORIAL COMMENT:- This is a dastardly attack on the very second basis of American society. Next they are going to start hacking our guns.

http://customwire.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_AUTOS_HACKING?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-08-05-13-04-25
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LTC Stephen F.
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Criminals are the biggest threat to cars followed closely by hackers in training who want to make a name for themselves COL Ted Mc.
Video gamers will probably we interested in expanding their gaming skills from whatever Grand Theft Auto and similar games have advanced to actually commandeering passing autos starting with attempts to interfere with police operations :-)
Terrorists would be most interested in targeting specific vehicular systems such as world leaders, military soft targets which would provide the biggest casualty bang per buck, etc.
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LTC Stephen F. - Colonel; Don't forget the infantile idiots who will do it "just for fun".
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SCPO David Lockwood
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It has been shown that your car can be hacked into. If you have ONSTAR or wnything like this you are vulnerable.
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PO3 Steven Sherrill
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Next thing you will see is the high tech auto thief simply picking a car on the lot, hacking it, and driving it straight to the chop shop from the comfort of their living room. Nobody will every catch them because if the Police catch them they can simply drive the car into a body of water. The thief's person never being in danger, why would they care?

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PO3 Steven Sherrill - PO; Sort of like UAT (Unmanned Auto Theft)?
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Can the terrorists now attack our cars?
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If something has an IP address that is open to the internet it can be hacked. Cyber Warfare is hear and it will only grow. If a hacker can hit the brakes on all modern cars at the same time a lot of people will die or get hurt. If hackers take down the power grid on the coldest day of the year a lot of people will freeze. The things that make our life easier can also be used against us.

The best thing that anyone can do to protect them selves is use multi factor authentication when possible and never use a word that can be found in any dictionary for a password. P#rp13$0#p PurpleSoup Add some numbers to the end to make it damn hard to crack: P#rp13$0#p159357 look at your key board and it makes an X on the number pad. 159357.

Consider runing linux instead of windows, not many viruses will attack it and it is damn hard to infect in the first place. If you have to run windows run Vipre Rescue every week on the PC on top of having good antivirus: Use malwarebytes IMHOP. Then run CC cleaner every week to clear out the cluter where maleware likes to hide. IF you know what you are doing go to %appdata% folder and search for *.exe and delete any executables that are unknown.
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Not a good thing if this is true.
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SCPO David Lockwood - Oh, it's definitely true. Although, the title is misleading... He tapped into the fuel system and avionics systems through the on-board entertainment system... While in flight.
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SCPO David Lockwood
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Amazing. Once the internet was our friend........now this!
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COL Ted Mc
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SSgt (Join to see) - Staff; The truth of the matter is that ANY system which isn't hardened can be penetrated.

The unfortunate truth of the matter is that you cannot harden a system completely - you can only make access incredibly difficult.

The REALLY unfortunate truth of the matter is that someone with the proper knowledge, training, and incentive can put out the amount of effort to overcome the barriers which make access incredibly difficult.

The only potential saving feature is that it simply might not be possible to overcome those barriers in a time span which would actually allow you do do something nasty.

[NOTE: Enclosing the entire computer network in a Faraday Cage is almost certain to work (provided that you can properly ground the cage - until someone pokes a hole in the cage and sticks a re-broadcaster's antenna through it.]
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Why not - if the hackers around here can... The most vulnerable are cars with systems like GM On-Star, FCA UConnect, Kia E-Services, etc... as well as cars with cell phone receivers for WiFi hotspots...
PFC Zanie Young
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To answer honestly, it is more of an eventuality that it is gonna happen. The way that technology is going into our vehicles, all it takes is a very good hacker to commandeer more than a few cars. With technology constantly changing, cybercriminals are just getting smarter by staying one step ahead of the current technology and adapting against the latest security measures. At the risk of sounding negative, this is one war we would lose unless we get more nerds and techies to counteract this constantly adapting threat.
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COL Ted Mc
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PFC Zanie Young - Private; The question that has to be answered immediately after "CAN the __[fill in the blank]__ do __[fill in the blank]__?" is "How likely is it that the __[fill in the blank]__ WILL __[fill in the blank]__?"
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PFC Zanie Young
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No disrespect sir. The way things are now, it is an emphatic yes. That is why I answered the way I answered.
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It is very likely. Cars are now linked to our phones; if our phones get hacked, so do our cars...
SSgt GG-15 RET Jim Lint
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Just as we failed to imagine an airplane as a weapon..... We need to think of cars as future weapons.
What about hacking a car and sending it through a crowded NYC crosswalk? What about using a pickup truck to crash a fuel truck? These are the things I would worry about after reading this. The terrorist already have remote controlled Vehical IEDs, this could be more dependable.
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COL Ted Mc
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SSgt GG-15 RET Jim Lint - Private; The correct mind-set for threat analysis is "Everything COULD be a weapon at sometime under some circumstances.". The correct mind-set for counter-threat analysis is "And your point would be?".
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SSgt GG-15 RET Jim Lint
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COL Ted Mc - Ted, it is something that must be retaught. Note, that is August 2001 people would have discounted it. "Pilots would never let that happen." "We have good intelligence." "We have no reason to get over hyper."
Now, the budget is an issue. Look at the EMP threat. People think it will never happen. When you see it, do not be surprised. How ready are you for an EMP threat?
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COL Ted Mc
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SSgt GG-15 RET Jim Lint - Private; The old saying is "You can have as much security as you are willing to pay for." is still valid.

I note that "pay for" isn't something that is limited to money.

For example, almost all crimes of violence can be eliminated in America by the simple expedient of never allowing anyone to be outside of the direct control of a police office, and never allowing a police officer to be outside of the direct control of a higher level of police officer, and never allowing a higher level police officer to be outside of the direct control of a still higher level police officer, and never ...

You won't like that society, but it would "work".
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PO1 William "Chip" Nagel
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Heard about this on NPR the other day. If someone can, They will. 21 years in the Electronic and Information Warfare Community tells me this was inevitable. Before there were Hackers there were Black Box Men, Capt Crunchers. I was a Black Box Man and a Captn Cruncher (Using Whistles to manipulate Telephone Analog Switches) There is a reason I think the Navy Recruited me to do what I did. LOL!
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