Posted on Apr 25, 2022
PO2 Gabriel Patterson
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I'm an eight year submarine veteran, been out of the navy for 2 years and I intend on attempting to join the army later this year. What are some changes I can expect? I'm asking this everywhere I can so I can mentally prepare myself.
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SP6 Patrick Lavin
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I was a six year Navy veteran, who when back into the Army. When I re listed I had experience as a police officer, and my degree in Criminal Justice. The recruiter told me I only qualified for Infantry, Tank Crew member or Bridge Engineer. I chose to enlist as a 12C Bridge Engineer. I had to do boot camp again for the second time and Advanced Individual Training as a Bridge Engineer. Total training was 13 weeks. As the years went by, 11 years total, I came out as an E6. I came out of the Army and worked 20 years in a state prison working as an education counselor. In all the military teaches discipline and how to hate. Even now at the ripe age of 72, I often dream and think of the days and people I came upon. Some people call this PTS (Post Traumatic Syndrome). Yes, I am bald! Now I volunteer for the Veteran Court as a mentor helping other veterans.
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CPO David R. D.
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SP6 Patrick Lavin - True statement. We don't know the details and what the Army offered, so many things change but 50 years ago, the DoD is completely different, as are the requirements for service.
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PO1 Ken Helmick
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CPL General's Driver General's Driver - I can't say that I agree. I got out of the navy and stayed in the Reserves while I went to school. I tried to enlist with the Army and they told me that my only option was to take a cut in paygrade from E6 to E5. Like the navy, they are a lot more enthusiastic about the whole direct commission thing if you haven't been prior enlisted. Apparently, having served your country is looked down upon by the officer corps.
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Capt Seid Waddell
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PO1 Ken Helmick - Back in my day Mustang officers were looked up to as super-competent leaders.
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1LT Cindy Swartz
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The rank you go into the army will depend on the slots available and the needs of the Army. If your MOS is in high demand, you will keep your rank. It has a lot to do when you go into the military. beginning of a new fiscal year is the best. Also, in the Army I went through OCS and got my commission. I was 30 years old. Currently retention in all service branches have been low. “We’ve never offered $50,000 to join the Army,” said Maj. Gen. Kevin Vereen, who heads up Army Recruiting Command. “We’re in a search for talent just like corporate America and other businesses. … We’re trying to match incentives for what resonates — for example, financial incentives.” It is a good time to negotiate a good deal signing up for the Army. https://thehill.com/opinion/national-security/3527921-the-military-has-a-serious-recruiting-problem-congress-must-fix-it/
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SPC Steven Depuy
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I have no idea what to tell you, its changed so much since my son got out in 2012, I have no clue. All I can tell you is what I told my son, join the Air Force.
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SGM Bill Frazer
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A totally different lifestyle, and depending what MOS you pick- maybe earth-shattering as well. Study what you want deeply.
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PO2 Gabriel Patterson
PO2 Gabriel Patterson
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I'm looking at 19D, 12B, and 19K at the moment
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SMSgt Kevin Townsend
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Rest assured, there is no way your tent could be torpedoed and sink.
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CPL General's Driver General's Driver
CPL General's Driver General's Driver
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former PO2 Gabriel Petterso, look for Army posts that have colleges on-site; After I got out of Basic Training and went to AIT (Advanced Individual Training for my MOS 71l that 71-Lima), I wrote NATO posts like Heidelberg, SHAPE HQ, Netherlands and received what are called "Control and Line Numbers", which are officers who wrote me back while I was still in Fort Jackson, SC learning to type without looking at my fingers. When I got to the Army's 21st Replacement at Rhein Main, they tried to ignore those assignment orders and put me in formation as a "people package" to a remote assignment.

I fell out of formation and ran to the E-6 who was in the office at Rhein Main and told him, I have 4 letters with control and line numbers at NATO posts, I shouldn't be going to a remote assignment. He said, let me give you a typing test and if you pass it, you'll be going to Heidelberg, where you can finish your B.A. degree.

I passed the test. You do not need to stay in formation and be shipped off to BFE. Had I not the courage to fall out of formation and find that Staff Sergeant, my life would have been completely different.

You want to choose an MOS that is useful at all assignments; If you're bent on specific MOSs you might be shooting yourself in the foot. Get your college degree, a B.A. not an A.A. and become an officer. You'll benefit your troops by having previous enlisted experience, plus be an enlightened leader with a more broad view of the world situation.

I wish when I was 24 and in the Army there were 60-yr olds like me around. I'm not trying to be pushy, but I gotta say working full time at a NATO post while goiing to full-time college at night and on the weekends kept me out of trouble and I accomplished a major goal. God bless you, former PO2 Gabriel Petterson.
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CPO David R. D.
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SMSgt Kevin Townsend - True, but I knew I was never going to deal with hand-to-hand combat on my Aircraft carrier. . . . and I would dare say, a CVN is protected for great than that individual unit marching up the road. As a Cryptologist, I always knew what our threat were, and where it was coming from. . . call it the benefits of being a Cryptologist aboard a Naval Warship.
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As a prior-service Navy veteran looking to rejoin the military (Army), what are some changes that I can expect?
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PO2 Gabriel Patterson Below is a post about 19D. Do a search on "19D", and then click on "Answers" to find the other posts. Follow this procedure for 12B and 19K.

https://www.rallypoint.com/answers/what-s-it-like-being-a-19d--2
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PO2 Gabriel Patterson
PO2 Gabriel Patterson
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Thank you.
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MSG Intermediate Care Technician
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Well, I'm not sure what kind of changes your are meaning. I mean, there is certainly some changes that you would experience going from Navy to Army.

Can you be more specific in regards to what changes you are wanting to prepare for?
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PO2 Gabriel Patterson
PO2 Gabriel Patterson
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just general cultural differences. I know submarines are different from most of the military, but that's about as far as my knowledge goes.
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PO2 Gabriel Patterson - Here are some general differences/changes:

1) We never answer with "Aye."
2) Latrine instead of Head
3) MOS instead of Rating
4) Unlike the Marines, all NCOs (E5-E8 Master Sergeant) can be addressed as Sergeant. The other E8 rank we have is First Sergeant (abbreviated as 1SG). You will address the First Sergeant as First Sergeant.
5) We have two E4 ranks. Specialist and Corporal. Specialist is NOT an NCO while Corporal IS an NCO.

These are just a few I can think of off the top of my head. If these kick start any other questions you may have, please feel free to ask away.
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CPT Lawrence Cable
CPT Lawrence Cable
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SFC (Anonymous) But the school system for Army Rank advancement is much more formalized than the Navy way of getting qualifications for advancement.
My son has been in for about 13 years and I am still figuring out rank, rate and insignia.
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SFC Larry Jones
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I was a recruiter. I know you will have to do our basic training. I take exception with the man who says the Army taught him to hate. If anyone has reason to hate, it is I. I was in a catastrophic motor vehicle line of duty accident when I had 16 years time in service. My chain of command changed hands and I had a 1SG who refused to acknowledge my limitations. He told everyone he could think of I was a worthless dirtbag. Of course, people who had known me before, knew better. I had a second surgery at BAMC in 1994 and almost died from post surgical complications, i.e., A pulmonary embolism. But 28 years later I am still here, loving life and on 100% disability. It is what you make it. I don't hate anyone or anything.
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SGM Mikel Dawson
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Physical fitness. Reading what you want for MOS, you need to be fit. Look up the APFT and start getting ready for it.
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CPT Lawrence Cable
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The big change is that Captain is O3 in the Army and O6 in the Navy.
Ratings go away and you will be known by your rank. Oh, E-5 through E-8 are all Sergeant, unless that E-8 is First Sergeant, then he is known as First Sergeant. Command Sergeant Major are Sergeant Major.
Combat Arms units take PT pretty serious, expect a big difference there.
Promotions in the Army are more school driven than in the Navy.
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CPT Lawrence Cable
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PO2 Gabriel Patterson - The Board is just an assembly of Senior NCO's tasked with Ranking those eligible, I don't think they have had a real board for general promotion in a couple of decades. The big difference is there are no advancement exams every promotion years, so your position is determined by fitness test, schools and school performance, evals, awards, TIS, TIG, civilian education etc. Still need a slot to promote into, so if you chose some small MOS, you can end up an E6 for a long time.
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PO2 Gabriel Patterson
PO2 Gabriel Patterson
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CPT Lawrence Cable - my main goal is to make e6 as fast as possible so i can finish out my 20
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CPT Lawrence Cable
CPT Lawrence Cable
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PO2 Gabriel Patterson - Good news is that the Army doesn't promote once a year, so when you qualify and there is a slot, you promote the next month. You only need 10 months in grade as an E-5, the mandatory schools and you will need 450 points to be eligible. You will need to talk to your retention NCO and Career Counselor about what gets points and how, not on my side of the Army.
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CPL General's Driver General's Driver
CPL General's Driver General's Driver
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PO2 Gabriel Patterson - Go to college while in service, then become an officer; Don't low-ball yourself to staying enlisted, become a commissioned officer.
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Many have made the transition you will be fine!
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PO2 Gabriel Patterson
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Thank you for all of your input and advice, but I got a job offer that I can't refuse, more than twice what I made as an e5 and with a baby on the way I can't turn they down
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