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How many of you are rated through the VA If so did you wait till you were out or did it while still in If you waited how long were you out when you made your first claim?
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MAJ Dale E. Wilson, Ph.D.
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When I had my retirement physical, the doctor conducting it had a clerk make a complete copy of my health record and told me that as soon as I got settled in my new home I should go to the VA and file a disability claim. I expressed surprise and he told me that within 10 years I would be a "hurtin' cowboy"!

I followed his advice and filed a claim after I'd been retired for four months. I was surprised when they came back to me with a rating of 30% for three conditions. I went to the California Vets Affairs rep in Santa Rosa and she had me add PTSD and told me to refile. I told her I didn't think I had PTSD and she asked me several questions that made it clear to her I did and should expect a rating of 50% or higher.

VA raised my rating on one condition and gave me 10% for PTSD, which stunned the CA rep. She had me appeal and they eventually raised my PTSD rating to 50%. Over time, Agent Orange has continued to take a toll on me and in 2005 I was rated 90% with Individual Unemployability and also was awarded Soc. Sec. disability. In 2010 VA increased my rating to 100%.
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Col Matthew Branigan
Col Matthew Branigan
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SSgt Charles Winegardner - I think the level of interest and assistance varies widely among the veteran support agencies. The DAV I interact with are fundamentally provide no assistance, and often don't respond to emails. The state VSO I used when I filed my initial claim didn't do anything more than list my issues and provide my medical records. I didn't realize until years later I should have gone back immediately and asked for another review. I know there are scores of VSOs who are amazing people and do phenomenal work, but if you don't have a reference from a buddy, you're rolling the dice.
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SFC Joseph Behmke
SFC Joseph Behmke
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Col Matthew Branigan - Your local VFW and American Legion also has VSO's to support veterans, some are more helpful than others.
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PFC Sammie Collins
PFC Sammie Collins
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I got out early for another reason but my injured knee, which was documented in my military medical records continued to get worse so I had to have major reconstructive surgery, then went to college, THEN I went to the employment office to get help finding a job and filled out the paperwork. The Vets Rep called me back and said "So, your a Vet" I said no, I wasn't in combat or combat era so didn't consider myself a vet. He said "OH NO!! Another one!!!" Then asked if I was injured while in service and I said yes but I already got it fixed after I got out. He said "SO you are a disabled vet" I said "NO, I wasn't shot or anything" He popped me on the side of the head, said you are a disabled vet and to get my bootie down to the DAV and file for disablity!!! SHOCK!! He said the guys come in with their hand out and know all about what they are entitled to. The women don't. I"d been out for 6 yrs. At that time, 7 yrs was the limit. Now, that leg, hip and blow back is a 60% disability and it's geting worse, left hip and knee are paying for it.......
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MAJ Ward Odom
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PFC Sammie Collins - You should contact a VSO about a new claim for the existing rated condition causing an aggravation.
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I retired 20 years ago. I filed while on terminal leave.

You are supposed to get your 214 six months before ETS these days, so you can file before you get out.

One note - if you were in combat: The field medics rarely record their treatment notes, and even in Role 3s and other places treatment records got lost. So if you were injured or ill while deployed, make sure that your record is up to date with ALL injuries and illnesses that you had. If there is something missing from your record, see your provider at home and get it documented while you are still on active duty, so you can easily claim it.
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TSgt Brent Strickland In life and the zvA the squeaky wheel gets the grease!
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CDR R J
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CPL Chris Palmberg - I was an RVSR at the VA (rater at the VA) in my "new" career upon retiring from the Navy. We called these "buddy" statements. I recall one such statement from a Korean War vet who was claiming tinnitus (ringing in the ear(s)). He submitted a statement from a friend he served with and it went something like this: "I very distinctly recall hearing a bell sound coming from Sgt. Joe's ears one time when we were traveling from Pusan to Seoul". Regrettably, this claim was denied.

If you choose to submit a buddy statement, be sure you understand what it is you are claiming and, better yet, seek out the services of one of the Veterans' Organizations, such as DAV/VFW/Amer. Legion, etc. These folks will help you get your claim perfected and help to prevent you from torpedoing your claim by submitting something that will harm your claim.
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CPL Chris Palmberg
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CDR R J that's hilarious.
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SCPO Rick Hunter
SCPO Rick Hunter
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The Commander is correct. I instructed both my Son and Daughter to go to sick bay for every cough, cold, sniffle, hang-nail and stubbed toe they ever had while on AD and have it documented. I didn't and it's cost me dearly.
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SGT English/Language Arts Teacher
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I was rated after more than 30 years.
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SrA Zo Evans Sr
SrA Zo Evans Sr
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Same here. I’m at 40% and still trying to get my wrists and the toxic exposure increases.
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SSG John C Quigley II
SSG John C Quigley II
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WOW, hope my 4th try will be the one, I left service in 83, and still trying to get VA to recognize that I had before I left service they wanted to fuse my lower lumbar, I should have reupped and had it done.
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CPT Gary Calvert
CPT Gary Calvert
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I applied in Aug 2010, 36 years after leaving the service. Never heard anything until in late 2012 early 2014 I received notice that I was denied because I didn't attend my exam. I never received any instructions to report. Had to reapply. Again, nothing until another denial for not attending. I had a very aggressive Texas Vets rep who went into my files. Found that in 2011 I received notice from VA that my paperwork was in process and I should hear soon. Then he found the first orders for exam were sent to my old address, the one before they wrote to me at the new address. Then he found on the second go around they sent it to an address that I never lived at and had no idea where it was. He filed a claim for me explaining all this. Finally got my eval. Was awarded for hearing loss and right shoulder impingement back dated to 2010. But had also applied for tinnitus and it was in my records when I applied and again after testing in 2013 and was linked by civilian evaluator and my personal physician, to my service. They never accepted the evaluations and refused to give me the 10% for tinnitus until 2021 when they agreed I had it but would not back date the award to 2010. Went to Judicial review under Clear and Unmistakable error because of the delays due to misaddressing my mail TWICE. They just denied it again. With a bunch of procedural excuses and never addressed the mail issue. VA has gone down hill about as far as it can go.
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PO3 Henry Brandow
PO3 Henry Brandow
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After seeing nodules in my lungs I filed in April 2023. I got out in 1970 honorable discharge. I have a 10% for hearing but as of yet no determination on the asbestosis which the VA docs say I have. The asbestos exposure is covered under the PACT act and the claim was filed with in the time frame. I have gotten 3 apology letters that the eval hasn't been completed yet but is in work.
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Did you wait till you were out to get your disability rating? If so, how long before you made your first claim?
SGT Robert Pryor
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I was rated 100% S/C from day one -- 11-11-1969. In 1982, 13 years after I was medically retired, I discovered I had an additional condition not discovered while I was still in the Army that was not a disability under the law anyway, so I let it be. But 35 years after I got out, and me being the a$$hole some of you have already discovered me to be, I got a wild hair and decided to screw with VA by filing a claim for what's called an extraschedular rating -- forcing them to make a decision on a medical condition that had not even been discovered by medical science at the time the schedule for disabilities was written in the forties. Short story, I won, the law was changed through an Act of Congress, the additional condition was independently rated at 70% disabling, and I am now combined to the next higher rating above 100%. It's doable. I just wanted to cause VA a problem, but they surprised me by also giving me a raise above 100%. VA and I are now on good terms. They sent me a lot of money -- and I spend it. Sometimes it pays to be an a$$hole.
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SPC Joshua Dawson
SPC Joshua Dawson
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I don't know what your problem is but you can stop putting out incorrect information any time now. I have actually lived this entire situation and I actually know what I'm talking about. There are numerous codes and regulations that clearly state that any OPINION stated would have to be backed up with clear and undeniable proof otherwise it would simply be an OPINION, especially in the consideration of any sort of benefits decisions. Why don't you stop being a toolbag and actually educate yourself on something before attempting to comment about things in which you actually know nothing about.
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CAPT Bryan Miller
CAPT Bryan Miller
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I waited until I had been out for two years, and it was a two year process even with a VSO, and they were a godsend through all the paperwork. All injuries were acquired in different locations and commands over 41 years. 1967 to 2008. Prior Combat Rescue Aircrew, GI bill with reserves, med school scholarship, Internal Med, Flight Surgeon active, and then twelve years reserve with two tactical deployments yearly. Damn I miss flying. And camaraderie. Being a physician sure helped cut through the medical denial BS. I did Occ Med outside for 22years, and am proud to say that my patients ALWAYS got what they deserved => cause I fought the system and learned well. They quit counting at 50%, and did not even count the three worst injuries which happened late in career. More doesn't matter, as at 50% you get all care, and there is a max compensation you can receive between retirement and VA. I will be pushing the system soon for types of therapy which will push their envelope, but which will both help me and should become part of the VA system.
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CAPT Bryan Miller
CAPT Bryan Miller
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Should also say that both discharges from active duty were done on the spot with no physical exams to rely upon, as some one said above. The first was done in two hours as I was released the very afternoon that I was supposed to deploy again on an involuntary hold. Admin was already packed out. RIF. Second time the squadron was decom'd exactly at my EOS.
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SPC Vonnie Jones
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LTC Jason Mackay
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I used the VA BENEFITS DELIVERY AT DISCHARGE (BDD) PROGRAM where I dropped my claim 90 days from separation. This is the route to go if you have extensive documentation of your claim in your medical records. You also have less of a burden for proving service connection as you haven't left yet.

I also used a VSO to help with the claim, DAV. They confirmed BDD for me and helped me write the claim.
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LTC Jason Mackay
LTC Jason Mackay
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1SG Thomas Jasak - this worked great because I was broken and knew it, but it was all in my records. I even skipped the phase II physical.
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SPC Joshua Dawson
SPC Joshua Dawson
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This kind of thing still wouldn't matter because the va is notorious for denying claims even when you have a mountain of evidence in service. I worked with a guy in the postal service that had retired from the Army and they kept denying his claim for years because they kept trying to say that the MRIs that he had of his knees while he was in service weren't from when he was in service even though they were done at an Army hospital. Then they tried to get him to hand over his master copies of the MRIs but after he refused to give them the master copies and sent them copies, again, and hired a lawyer they finally gave him his benefits after almost eight years of intentionally denying him.
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Maj Wayne Crist
Maj Wayne Crist
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Evidence and truth don't always help.
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SFC William Fowle
SFC William Fowle
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SPC Joshua Dawson - I bet you or He have complete evidence of the "intentional Denying". It was more likely laziness and incompetence than intentional. You should never state that something was intentional unless you can prove it in a courtroom.
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GySgt Ray Harris
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FIRST: All veterans should make a full photocopy of your medical records before you leave the service. I did this and it saved me tons of problems later in life. Personally, I left service with no disability ratings, even though I knew I had hearing loss. Somehow, I managed to squeak by the Border Patrol's hearing test and got hired, but discretion being the better part of valor I waited until I had career status before applying. I got 10% for tinnitus and a rating at zero percent for deafness. Again, I waited almost until retirement to pick up some other disabilities that started to bother me with age. I got up to 70%, dropped back to 60% (watch what you say at those QED exams!!!). Ultimately, I became a counselor for Veteran's Services and learned the tricks of the trade. I am now at 100%, all due to good record-keeping and persistence. The VA is NOT in the business of denying your true benefits. Try to remember that. If you check all the right boxes, you will be approved.
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SPC Joshua Dawson
SPC Joshua Dawson
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SP5 Wilbert Jennings - The va is absolutely notorious for denying claims, if you're a male anyway. I've come across several women that were complaining that it took them two years to get their benefits. I haven't come across a male that served that was able to get his benefits in only two years so that's not something I or any other male service member would ever complain about.
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CAPT Bryan Miller
CAPT Bryan Miller
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I was denied on several conditions for lack of evidence, but I was able to argue the medicine / bio-mechanics / mechanism of injury / been there, done that knowledge / etc.
QUESTION ? Is there a place for military experienced physicians to support claims like a VSO? Doing Occupational Medicine for clients?
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SMSgt Lloyd Knopp
SMSgt Lloyd Knopp
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CAPT Bryan Miller - Contact one of the many Veteran Service Organizations, go through their training program and get your VSO Certificate.
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Maj Wayne Crist
Maj Wayne Crist
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They are denying one item saying it was not diagnosed. But the very first line of the medical record said it was.
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TSgt Dan Decker
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Like an idiot, I waited until I was out to file my initial claim. I retired in 1986 after 20. I filed for VA benefits 18 years later. I fought with the VA for 11 years before finally getting rated at 100% for among other things, diabetes II, hypertension, tinnitus, and Crohn's Disease. I heartily recommend getting your discharge papers in hand and filing with the VA on the same day.
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SPC Joshua Dawson
SPC Joshua Dawson
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I was one of the lucky ones that was not allowed to get any of this started because I was two years past my contract by the time my unit even redeployed and I kept getting told that I would have to get it started after I got out. The va fought me for a little over ten years blatantly violating their own regulations to continually deny me the benefits that I had already earned. To top it off even after I was rated 100% permanent and total the va turned around and claimed that I showed improvement off of an exam that never happened and lowered my ratings significantly on two of the disabilities that I am rated for in what was what I guess an attempt to lower me below 100%.
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Back then a VA claim was not automatic like it is today. I remember when I got out in 92 the rep said we had a year to make a claim and he suggested we do it. That was it. It was up to us to follow thru.

Now everyone automatically goes thru the process. That’s good and bad IMO. Being a contractor at Ft Gordon for the NSA from 2006-2012 I listened to too many service members discuss how to game the system.

If it wasn’t automatic I don’t think we would have such a rampant fraud problem.
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MAJ Ken Landgren
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The right and best course of action is to wrap up the disability rating before getting out. It is much easier coordinating steps, tasks, and gates before getting out. The army MEB process are parallel avenue of approaches for the military and VA disability ratings. The quicker this is accomplished the quicker the process for VA and SSDI benefits should one be qualified. To do otherwise would slow down the process and VA benefits will not be seamless during the transition. The objective is to conduct this process as timely and efficiently as possible and achieving this is much easier before leaving the military.
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MAJ Ken Landgren
MAJ Ken Landgren
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Well shit. I wish people would fight and advocate for you guys. Do some congressionals, but your State Bureau should be involved. Contact army times. I wish I could help. Perhaps safely contact a Reserve Medical Command. CPL (Join to see)
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MAJ Ken Landgren
MAJ Ken Landgren
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First let your unit help you although it appears they have not. MAJ Ken Landgren
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PV2 Tommy Smith
PV2 Tommy Smith
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CPL (Join to see) - I recently talked to someone I known from when they were a teenage in high school who is in the grad with knee problems and doing MEB/PEB. (Now an E-6) He got almost to the point of getting hostel with me because he was afraid it would affect his job outside of the military. At an E-6 rank I would have thought he would have had more training in the discharge/medical process.
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MAJ Ken Landgren
MAJ Ken Landgren
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PV2 Tommy Smith - What is stupid is the army does not attempt to educate anyone about the MEB process. When soldiers finish the MEB process, that institutional knowledge leaves with them. If I was still serving, I would love to create an MEB SOP to include the VA and SS. I know how to work with disparate organizations for their input. The key in my mind is it has to be simple and straight forward. I can't go into all the details of lets say the VA and SS, but I can paint a broad picture.

For example for the VA:
- A VA doctor will provide the official physical.
- The VA will assign a percentage rating.
- The VA has a crazy math formula to determine total ratings.
- The VA rating determines compensation.
- How to appeal ratings.

Stuff like that. Give me a week and I think I would have the 80% solution to an MEB SOP. I would interview all the key players: Doctors, PEBLO, VA Rep, VA Doctors, SS. That SOP can be used by commanders and 1SGs to track soldiers in the MEB process. I wish one person will get off their ass and write an SOP. An SOP makes too much sense.
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SSgt Ryan Sylvester
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I missed the boat for the BDD (Benefits Delivered at Discharge) program during my separation process. I filed for my rating shortly after leaving service. At first I was going through my local Legion, but I switched up to the VA online filing system (which, by the way, worked very well and I had no problems filing my paperwork through it). After I was two years out with no contact from VBA for any sort of evaluation, I went to the regional office to confirm they had my paperwork processing (they did). After walking out of the VBA office, I went directly to the VSO to talk with a representative. Met with her again about a week later. No additional paperwork required, and in one month, I had an eval. A month after that, I had my rating and two years of backpay.

File early, follow up, and use all resources available as needed.
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SPC Larry Spiller
SPC Larry Spiller
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SPC Nancy Greene - When I ETS'd (May 1986) after 5 years of active duty the only medical records that were given to me was a copy of my enlistment physical and the last hearing test I had. Fact is I didn't have a real separation physical either. No dental no nothing. I never got injured but I was hospitalized twice and had knee issues that were treated if you call motrin treatment. So glad I'm not trying to file a claim. Still I would like to know why it went that way. I shouldn't be surprised, they couldn't get my awards and decorations correct on my DD214 either. That don't bother me much. I have copies of all of the orders for them. Peace Soldier.
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SPC Nancy Greene
SPC Nancy Greene
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There is a firm DD215 which makes corrections to the DD214. They screwed up my DD214 and I submitted copies of my awards and qualifications and I was issued a DD215. You have that option. I guess because I was Personnel Management, I knew to make copies of everything including my medical records. If you were hospitalized for knee injuries, the hospital has copies of those records if you choose to pursue a higher rating.
Also, I requested the Medical Discharge, so the Army HAD to put me before a Post Board and when I didn’t agree with the 10%, I requested to appear before the Medical Board at Walter Reed. It’s in the Regulations that you have the option to appear before the board if you don’t agree with the initial rating. My unit had to send me from Germany to Walter Reed and I took leave in conjunction with the TDY. If I hadn’t been Personnel Management I wouldn’t have known as much as I did! Also, when I was finally diagnosed with broken pelvic bones at the end of AIT, I had an excellent orthopedic surgeon who provided me with a lot of good information since I chose to stay in and could perform the duties of my MOS.
Peace Soldier...specialists do all the work!SPC Larry Spiller
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SPC Larry Spiller
SPC Larry Spiller
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Although I was a Combat Engineer by MOS, I spent nearly all of my time in an admin position. SIDPERS was my best friend right along with leaves and finance. In most cases I was the first face you seen when you got to the unit and the last one you seen when you left. I was trusted to keep the C-27/UMR for the battalion assign all newbies officer and enlisted alike. Just had to keep the Adjutant and CSM (let them deal with the LTC) aware of who was short and who was due a squad, Platoon or was due for a staff assignment. Never was over ridden. I breached more obstacles with an ink pen than I did with C-4. Bent many rules for good Soldiers. Free of charge it was, they just had to keep it secret. Loved my job. I had purpose and mission daily. Not the sheer madness and boredom of being in a line company in garrison. Now the grief of it all. No OJT was allowed to pick up a SMOS as a 75B Personnel Specialist. Nor would they let me re enlist for the MOS, despite the fact that I was awarded 2 AAM's and an ARCOM for performing those exact duties. So I ETS'd. My next job was.....now wait for it......in the US Army Reserves serving as....a Unit Personnl Specialist for a direct support maintenance company. I worked week to week under orders, in uniform without reenlisting. Even had a valid reserve ID card. I did enough time that it completely fulfilled my 6 year enlistment bite. Came time for the 2 week drill and I was informed we were not going anywhere. I didn't request anymore orders without them knowing about it and promptly joined a Construction Union. Retired at 50. I know all I said is somewhat off target to subject. Concerning the medical records and 214, I should have known better. I watched others botch records up for years. Was in to big of a hurry to get home. Peace Soldier. (I was in 2nd Armored Division at Ft. Hood, liked wearing the unit patch on the left breast above the pocket. Unique.)
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SPC Joshua Dawson
SPC Joshua Dawson
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I wish I could have the luck that a lot of you have had on filing your claims with the va. The va has been intentionally denying me benefits that I have mountains of evidence for for now over ten years by only stating that I had it before I enlisted, without ever having provided a single piece of evidence to support denying me. I have used VSOs, the VFW, the DAV, and even hired a lawyer and they have all proven useless. I have even contacted every seated congressman and senator my state has had in the past decade and none of them even keep talking to me let alone do anything about this situation. I got up to 90% all on my own but the va has just flat out denied, or rated at 0%, the last nine things I have claimed just to keep me from reaching 100%.
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MAJ Brian Miller
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This is a very good question. The one thing I told Soldiers when I was in, if you have injuries that are service / combat connected it is wise to go through a MEB to get everything medically completed in house (while you're still in service) before you transition out of the Military. Pride is a Soldier's failing when it comes to taking care of himself/herself and their family when it is time to leave the military. I served 30+ years and during my last year I submitted to the MEB because of chronic health issues I sustained due to combat related and service connected injuries. I would not have done this without the wise words of a Ortho Doc who had seen me repeatedly and told me I should go through the MEB process. This was the best decision I made. Not only were all my appointments for the VA scheduled and completed while I was in the service but I received my rating as well (100%). The problem with doing this afterwards, after talking with a number of my friends who retired and didn't go through the MEB process and had numerous injuries, was they had to do all this through the VA shuffle which took months to years to complete after they got out. One thing you have to understand, if you have significant injuries that your received during your military service, the Military is obligated to take care of this while you're in service. Once you leave the service it's all on you. If you have a family it behooves you to think about them and your financial security prior to getting out. You are not guaranteed a job when you do transition to your next phase of life. This is another reason for doing this while you're still in the service you're still being paid as a service member and all your VA benefits will kick in as soon as you get out because all your documentation will have been finalized and sent to the VA for you. I loved the Army and enjoyed all my years of service, but they're not going to take care of you when you get out. This is all on you. Hope this info helps you and everyone else on this discussion. Again, don't let pride decide for you and your families future.
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Even though I waited years to get rated, all my doctor visits when I was in were documented in my medical records and easily accessed by the VA whom at the time was ran by civilians who didn't care. Appointments were hard to get, and if you were able to get an appointment, you would be denied. Another 8 years later after the government investigation found the VA to be fraudulent and is now run my veterans, I was able to be seen and rated at 30%. I never had to have any copies of my medical records.
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Glad you were able to get a percentage.
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Maj Miller, I sure could of used your advise when I was active.
When I exited I didn't think I had any benefits to tell you the truth. I thought all benefits were only reserved for soldiers who have been in combat. So, to be honnest, I never even checked it out other than making sure Selective Service was always updated to my whereabouts.
It only took me 3 weeks to get a job as a material handler driving a forklift for a company called Nonlinear Systems which later became Kaypro Computer Systems. I worked for them for almost 5 years until I was laid off and started working in construction as a laborer then worked my way up to roofing and then soon contracting in California. The only thing is, when it rains you do not work. I ended up poor, homeless and living in my car for a year working for minimum wage for a Mobile Service Station where I learned how to work on cars.
I tried to get a job at John Wayn Airport as a helicopter mechanic and found out that I needed to be fixed wing aircraft certified which was expensive.

Wow Sorry about that, I do tend ramble on.
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