Posted on Dec 14, 2020
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This is the second time I’ve gotten reprimanded for this situation. I was walking with a binder in my hands, and a mug in the other hand. I walked past a CSM and a CPT, greeted both as I was unable to salute. CSM stopped me and demanded that I drop everything to salute the CPT. AR 600-25 states that I am not required to render a salute if I am carrying articles with both hands. What is the right answer?
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Good morning, afternoon or evening sir...while moving very quickly. Do not flinch or hesitate. No worries.
Sgt Warren Serkin
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I was in San Antonio at Lackland AFB and, while walking over to the dispensary, I happened on a captain who was loading something into his trunk (with his head in the trunk). Unsure of the protocol, I did salute him. He returned the salute with his head still in trunk. Better safe than sorry
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SSG Bill McCoy
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Second time? The adage that comes to mind is, "Burn me once, shame on you; burn me twice, shame on ME."
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PFC Raymond Meek
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At least in the sea services there is no saluting indoors unless under conditions requiring you to wear headgear.
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MSG Clyde Mills
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This is plainly a power move by the CSM, the Regulation plainly states that if both your hands are occupied and you walk past an Officer you still greet them by rank or saying a greeting of Good morning Sir /ma'am and continue on your way. If either the CSM or the Officer say's anything to you, their out of line and you should tell them in a respectful manner of the Regulations regarding Saluting of an Officer.
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CPT William Jones
CPT William Jones
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sound like you hace a bit of a problem to me MSG. The reg is plain with his load both hands did not need to be occupied and he said this was is second time so he knew how the local people interpreted this little problem to him before. i agree thre reg says if both hands occupied. his load did not need to occupy both hands also what might be local policy on carrying a coffee mug around. CSM doen not need to make a power move everybody knows he speaks with God (the CO) without even knocking on the door. Even the XO knocks just before he enters
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Sgt Steven Baldwin
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It is really an elementary answer. We follow the chain of command for good reasons, senior NCO's to basics, may not "like" saluting but respect the rank and traditions! 1st time could be an oversight, 2nd time was a choice! If you do not have pride in the uniform you wear, seek life elsewhere!
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Cpl Roger Cortez
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In the Marine Corps we were required to stop, drop what one was doing stand at attention and salute. If you were walking past an officer and both hands were occupied some Marines at the time would greet the officer and if he saw the situation he would more times than often say, "as you were" which meant continue as your were no need for a salute. If you were occupied as a group in a work activity and an officer came upon you the first Marine to see the officer calls for Attention! All snap to attention and the senior NCO will salute for the group. If you do not recognize his presence he'll usually state, "as you were" and no salute is rendered. Now this was the 'ol Corps back in the '60's. It may not be this way now. But knowing the Corps, tradition is a big thing. Semper Fi all.......
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Cpl Roger Cortez
Cpl Roger Cortez
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....now hear this!!! If an officer is in a car and that car drives past you, you must salute! How do you know it's an officer you may ask. You recognized it by the blue base tag he had on the bumper! Enlisted tags were of another color. What if the wife of the officer was the driver of the car? You'd salute the damn car or the wife anyway. I swearrrrrr!
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SFC Greg Bruorton
SFC Greg Bruorton
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Cpl Roger Cortez - Usually, the color of an enlisted tag was red.
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Capt Jeff S.
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SFC Kathy Pepper
SFC Kathy Pepper
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I'm not certain what the question is, but President Biden actually said, "good-looking Marines." Why would he salute Marines who did not salute him? In 35 years with the Army, I can count on one hand how many officers saluted me first.
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SFC Kathy Pepper
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Edited 5 y ago
Years ago, I was walking downstairs outside my building while carrying a stack of books in my left arm and holding the handrail with my right hand. A lieutenant was standing at the bottom, and my first thought was that he was allowing me to descend before walking up himself. Nope. He was standing there waiting for me to render my hand salute (which I did once I got off the steps), and scolded me for not saluting sooner. I pointed out that I was holding onto the handrail for safety, and he said I should have taken my hand off to salute. So, I patronizingly asked him if he wanted me to risk my safety in order to salute. He asked for my unit, and went to see my First Sergeant. The first words out of 1SG's mouth: “What did SGT Pepper do this time?” That blew the wind out of the lieutenant’s sails. Funnily enough, the LT and I became friends later (and he had the opportunity to ask: “What did SGT Pepper do this time?”).

To answer your question: can you balance the mug on top of the binder? It doesn't matter what AR 600-25 states; the CSM outranks you by so much that he wins. Most people won't get angry as long as you make some effort.
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CPT William Jones
CPT William Jones
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SFC pepper I think you did the proper thing. The LT should have reported you for his imagined problem not the 1SGT. If he reported to me what he thought you did wrong. I would have corrected him for being unreasonable as both your hands were occupied and you did salute as soon as you could safely clear your right arm and did salute. so Lt get your act toghther and dismiss him. Would then tell top to inform you I took care of the problem with this LT
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LTC Ronald Stephens
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Usually a "by your leave" will suffice unless the officer is a nugget then all bets are off.
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