Posted on Jul 11, 2015
Do you agree with the premise of this article that "white people will always be racist?"
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I think this article is a bunch of hooey. As I read it in more detail, I can see where this author is coming from. I just don't happen to agree with the analogy she uses.
Read on and let me know what you think.
Whites are continually put into the position of forever having to prove the negative, that they’re not racists. This is impossible. And that’s the point.
Now that South Carolina has taken down the Confederate flag flying on statehouse grounds, MSNBC is drumming the five whose state flags incorporate “Confederate themes.”
They continue to prove liberals are never satisfied. We fought the Civil War. We ratified the Fourteenth Amendment. We have the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965. The civil-rights movement was a success. Now, we have South Carolina pulling down the Confederate flag. But it’s still not enough. And Hillary Clinton agrees.
http://thefederalist.com/2015/07/10/why-white-people-will-always-be-racists/?utm_source=The+Federalist+List&utm_campaign=dac896f1f8-RSS_The_Federalist_Daily_Updates_w_Transom&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_cfcb868ceb-dac896f1f8-83810921
Read on and let me know what you think.
Whites are continually put into the position of forever having to prove the negative, that they’re not racists. This is impossible. And that’s the point.
Now that South Carolina has taken down the Confederate flag flying on statehouse grounds, MSNBC is drumming the five whose state flags incorporate “Confederate themes.”
They continue to prove liberals are never satisfied. We fought the Civil War. We ratified the Fourteenth Amendment. We have the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965. The civil-rights movement was a success. Now, we have South Carolina pulling down the Confederate flag. But it’s still not enough. And Hillary Clinton agrees.
http://thefederalist.com/2015/07/10/why-white-people-will-always-be-racists/?utm_source=The+Federalist+List&utm_campaign=dac896f1f8-RSS_The_Federalist_Daily_Updates_w_Transom&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_cfcb868ceb-dac896f1f8-83810921
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SGT (Join to see) Whistle, Flag, Red Card, Game Misconduct!!!!... That is simply, pure BS!!!!
But, I think she is saying here title is not true, but rather it is message some are trying promulgate.
I grew up in the NY/NJ Metro area, never left (aside from New England and Canada for Hockey) until I joined the Army. Black was part of my world, and that was my normal. My HS was 60% or more black... That was my world.
I arrived at Basic Training/OST... and I am in D-11-4, and find myself in a bay with 40 dudes... and many had never seen, been around, or let alone sleep in the same room with a black Soldier... About 20% of the platoon/company was black. That was surprising to me. And, when I first considered, or realized, people around the US see things differently. And, that not all white dudes were like minded...
Racism goes in every possible direction, but unfortunately I would argue if asked people (random sample) their prevailing definition and example would be Whites discriminating against blacks. Ask and EO representative in the Army. Try and make an EO complaint if you are white. I am tired of this perspective this narrative, and the whole white privilege angle too.
I have always treated everyone with dignity and respect regardless of their sex, color, race, national orientation, etc. I have judged people on their character and their own merits. But, I can say the reverse had not always been true...
Despite my efforts at being always fair and dealing with everyone and everything on its own merits, still I was accused of being racist more than once - because I gave a black NCO or Officer an substandard evaluation, or because of a particular deposition of UCMJ or administrative action result... Always by an African American, never by a white Soldier or any other race or demographics. If I did not get the right OER, award I wanted... could I make a similar complaint? BS, I say again.
I spent, as some know, 39 months flagged as a result of a referred (bad) OER I gave a LT who was involved in a sexual assault (more than one it turned out). It was first investigated at the installation level because of his EO and IG complaints, and was not founded. Nevertheless, it eventually ended up at the DAIG Whistleblower Reprisal Branch, where eventually they charged me with a myriad of offenses, and a few more for good measure. The LT was black, my XO was black, my Brigade Commander was black (They were all in the same club/fraternity locally - only for black officers), and so too was the Colonel in charge of the DAIG Whistleblower Reprisal Branch; he and my Brigade Commander were in the same ROTC class at Howard University... Things that make you go hmmm. I should be tainted by that, but what good would that do? Imagine if I wanted to start a club, just for white officers...
I eventually filed a counter complaint with the DODIG against my Commander and the DAIG. That is when I first heard the term... The "Army's Dirty Little Secret" which meant reverse racism was alive and well in the Army, everyone knew it, and no one would address it. I had peers who had similar issues... as me too...
In the end, the DODIG overturned everything, stating "the DAIG erred in its findings, and that all of its witness, were less than credible." The Colonel from the DAIG was removed, as was his civilian deputy... My boss retired... and the XO... he faded into obscurity, and finally the LT was passed over for promotion to Major, and was shown the door.
This is BS SGT (Join to see), and I tired of the same old story. There are more minority racists in my view, than white guys who are racists... That is simply an untrue and unfair hasty generalization. As many have said, and know, racists come from everywhere, and you can't just stereotype and generalize. We should be better than that. We need to attack the culprits, not the entire group... Ahhhhh!!!!
I am also sorry SGT (Join to see) and everyone, for the diatribe and my rant...
But, I think she is saying here title is not true, but rather it is message some are trying promulgate.
I grew up in the NY/NJ Metro area, never left (aside from New England and Canada for Hockey) until I joined the Army. Black was part of my world, and that was my normal. My HS was 60% or more black... That was my world.
I arrived at Basic Training/OST... and I am in D-11-4, and find myself in a bay with 40 dudes... and many had never seen, been around, or let alone sleep in the same room with a black Soldier... About 20% of the platoon/company was black. That was surprising to me. And, when I first considered, or realized, people around the US see things differently. And, that not all white dudes were like minded...
Racism goes in every possible direction, but unfortunately I would argue if asked people (random sample) their prevailing definition and example would be Whites discriminating against blacks. Ask and EO representative in the Army. Try and make an EO complaint if you are white. I am tired of this perspective this narrative, and the whole white privilege angle too.
I have always treated everyone with dignity and respect regardless of their sex, color, race, national orientation, etc. I have judged people on their character and their own merits. But, I can say the reverse had not always been true...
Despite my efforts at being always fair and dealing with everyone and everything on its own merits, still I was accused of being racist more than once - because I gave a black NCO or Officer an substandard evaluation, or because of a particular deposition of UCMJ or administrative action result... Always by an African American, never by a white Soldier or any other race or demographics. If I did not get the right OER, award I wanted... could I make a similar complaint? BS, I say again.
I spent, as some know, 39 months flagged as a result of a referred (bad) OER I gave a LT who was involved in a sexual assault (more than one it turned out). It was first investigated at the installation level because of his EO and IG complaints, and was not founded. Nevertheless, it eventually ended up at the DAIG Whistleblower Reprisal Branch, where eventually they charged me with a myriad of offenses, and a few more for good measure. The LT was black, my XO was black, my Brigade Commander was black (They were all in the same club/fraternity locally - only for black officers), and so too was the Colonel in charge of the DAIG Whistleblower Reprisal Branch; he and my Brigade Commander were in the same ROTC class at Howard University... Things that make you go hmmm. I should be tainted by that, but what good would that do? Imagine if I wanted to start a club, just for white officers...
I eventually filed a counter complaint with the DODIG against my Commander and the DAIG. That is when I first heard the term... The "Army's Dirty Little Secret" which meant reverse racism was alive and well in the Army, everyone knew it, and no one would address it. I had peers who had similar issues... as me too...
In the end, the DODIG overturned everything, stating "the DAIG erred in its findings, and that all of its witness, were less than credible." The Colonel from the DAIG was removed, as was his civilian deputy... My boss retired... and the XO... he faded into obscurity, and finally the LT was passed over for promotion to Major, and was shown the door.
This is BS SGT (Join to see), and I tired of the same old story. There are more minority racists in my view, than white guys who are racists... That is simply an untrue and unfair hasty generalization. As many have said, and know, racists come from everywhere, and you can't just stereotype and generalize. We should be better than that. We need to attack the culprits, not the entire group... Ahhhhh!!!!
I am also sorry SGT (Join to see) and everyone, for the diatribe and my rant...
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CSM Charles Hayden Passed 7/29/2025
Thank you, COL Charles Williams. I wondered about that 39 month flag. I must say, your 'rant'; aka sharing a travesty with RP causes me to question the process. I am sorry for your personal persecution, the failure of due process and the damage to your otherwise stellar career.
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COL Charles Williams
CSM Charles Hayden Passed 7/29/2025 - Hooah... It all turned out Ok... The process is broke and geared to screw with leaders, officers and NCOs; high payoff targets to them... they seem to enjoy it. In the end, all I lost was time.
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When I was very young I saw a sign and it left an indelible impression on my young mind. I've thought about it many times. The sign read (I think): When you are born you are pink, when you grow up you are white, when you are sick you are green, when you are cold you are blue, when you are hot you are red. And you call me colored. This made me think that we need to treat each person as an individual. We need to get past seeing each other as being black, white, brown, yellow, red, slant eyed, oval eyed, broad nose, narrow nose... I believe we can live together and not let our differences define how we relate to each other. We need to not play into he hands of those that want to create division - division will bring our country to it's knees. Is that what you want? We need to stop breeding hate because of physical differences and start building our nation because we are Americans.
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CPT (Join to see), I agree 100%. Now how are we going to accomplish this?
I've written, kids aren't born racist, but they are raised racist, and the cycle will continue until one day, a kid thinks, "I like those people. They're not anything like what I was taught." Then it seeps in to the others kids, their heritage was wrong about the different races. Will that ever happen? Who knows? But, that doesn't mean it isn't possible. I never thought I would like a Vietnamese person, ever. I hated all of them. It's taken 50 years, but I've come around, and what I thought all those years was foolish.
I've written, kids aren't born racist, but they are raised racist, and the cycle will continue until one day, a kid thinks, "I like those people. They're not anything like what I was taught." Then it seeps in to the others kids, their heritage was wrong about the different races. Will that ever happen? Who knows? But, that doesn't mean it isn't possible. I never thought I would like a Vietnamese person, ever. I hated all of them. It's taken 50 years, but I've come around, and what I thought all those years was foolish.
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Not all white people are racist, but some white people are and they will always be.
Not all black people are racists but some black people are and they will always be.
Not all oriental people are racists but some oriental people are and they will always be.
The confederate FLAG or something similar to it is NOT going to make some racist. Any inanimate object is not going to make some racist.
I thought it was ridiculous and asanign to to remove all things CONFEDERATE...it's not going to change the past, the history or any ones minds about things.
Not all black people are racists but some black people are and they will always be.
Not all oriental people are racists but some oriental people are and they will always be.
The confederate FLAG or something similar to it is NOT going to make some racist. Any inanimate object is not going to make some racist.
I thought it was ridiculous and asanign to to remove all things CONFEDERATE...it's not going to change the past, the history or any ones minds about things.
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I would say for the most part, the United States has gone beyond racism. From my perspective and experience, the current "race war" we are experiencing is racial stereotyping. This of course doesn't come from hate, but rather ignorance, in a non-blissful way. I have faced some discrimination because of my race and religion, but I don't think it comes from actual racism.
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SrA Edward Vong
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I think the title should be "Why white people will always appear racist". I feel race is a very difficult and complex issue. It is easy to say "we can look past race", but I feel every race has left positive and negative imprints from their past which is what causes ignorant stereotypes and discrimination. There are issues going on right now involving race. I feel until we are all beige, it will unfortunately be an ongoing battle. I do hope I see significant changes in my lifetime.
I think the title should be "Why white people will always appear racist". I feel race is a very difficult and complex issue. It is easy to say "we can look past race", but I feel every race has left positive and negative imprints from their past which is what causes ignorant stereotypes and discrimination. There are issues going on right now involving race. I feel until we are all beige, it will unfortunately be an ongoing battle. I do hope I see significant changes in my lifetime.
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Bergman Oswell
At the most basic level, racism is the act of making value judgments about people on the basis of skin color. If you have been discriminated against because of your race, then you absolutely have encountered actual racism.
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This statement is pure crap. Humans are racists is more correct. Racist come in all colors creeds tribes genders some even hate themselves
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MSgt Manuel Diaz, It is pure crap. It's columnist like this one that keeps these things stirred up.
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Bergman Oswell
Apes in general are racists -- if you separate a chimpanzee from his friends and family, dye him hot pink then return him, they will at best shun him, and quite possibly kill him. But humans can choose to rise above their instincts where chimps generally cannot. Some people simply choose not to.
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There is only one solution to "racism." STOP TALKING ABOUT IT ! I'm in full agreement with Morgan Freeman on this one.
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No, there are racist in every race. The question when it is going to end? Hate is a very heavy load to carry.
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MSG Floyd Williams, I'm sorry to say that is so true. When will it stop? IMO, not until the second coming.
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It seems that the definition of "racist" has changed.
It used to be...
ra-cist n. A person who prejudges another based on their race or ethnicity
It now is used to mean...
ra-cist v. Shut up
It used to be...
ra-cist n. A person who prejudges another based on their race or ethnicity
It now is used to mean...
ra-cist v. Shut up
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CPT Jack Durish
Okay, maybe that was too subtle. What I was attempting to say is that the pejorative is used mainly these days to quiet anyone who might attempt to defend themselves against the onslaught of those who would extract retribution for some past injustice. This also occurs when men attempt to comment on what are perceived as "women's issues". We are told to shut up. We have no right to an opinion. And in ideological and political debate, anyone with an opinion that runs counter to popular opinion had better shut up.
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SFC James Sczymanski , CPT Jack Durish, Guys, I was just a SGT. The biggest words I know are the biggest words I know. Get it?
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This had been beaten into the ground, dug up, ground up, and sprinkled over the grass. IMHO, it all boils down to one word: Respect.
Do you respect that person's right to have an opposing opinion, different religion, different lifestyle, and general right to exist?
Do you respect that person's right to have an opposing opinion, different religion, different lifestyle, and general right to exist?
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Yes I do, SSG Michael Hartsfield, But not when the person is saying things about black people that are racist or demeaning. I have a granddaughter that is black. I've seen the looks, heard the smart remarks from those red necks. Even blacks don't say anything about her and look at her like she is a traitor to the black community. For Gods sake she's only two years old. It's not just whites being racist, even though there are more whites than blacks, the blacks are racist too. Racism is a disease and needs to have an operation to remove the disease. The times of the blacks getting kicked around, hanged just because, and killed like its a sport are gone. With all of this crap going on recently with the cops vs blacks , our country was on the verge of repeating history I grew up in, and it's stupid ignorance
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