Posted on Jul 11, 2015
Do you agree with the premise of this article that "white people will always be racist?"
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I think this article is a bunch of hooey. As I read it in more detail, I can see where this author is coming from. I just don't happen to agree with the analogy she uses.
Read on and let me know what you think.
Whites are continually put into the position of forever having to prove the negative, that they’re not racists. This is impossible. And that’s the point.
Now that South Carolina has taken down the Confederate flag flying on statehouse grounds, MSNBC is drumming the five whose state flags incorporate “Confederate themes.”
They continue to prove liberals are never satisfied. We fought the Civil War. We ratified the Fourteenth Amendment. We have the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965. The civil-rights movement was a success. Now, we have South Carolina pulling down the Confederate flag. But it’s still not enough. And Hillary Clinton agrees.
http://thefederalist.com/2015/07/10/why-white-people-will-always-be-racists/?utm_source=The+Federalist+List&utm_campaign=dac896f1f8-RSS_The_Federalist_Daily_Updates_w_Transom&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_cfcb868ceb-dac896f1f8-83810921
Read on and let me know what you think.
Whites are continually put into the position of forever having to prove the negative, that they’re not racists. This is impossible. And that’s the point.
Now that South Carolina has taken down the Confederate flag flying on statehouse grounds, MSNBC is drumming the five whose state flags incorporate “Confederate themes.”
They continue to prove liberals are never satisfied. We fought the Civil War. We ratified the Fourteenth Amendment. We have the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965. The civil-rights movement was a success. Now, we have South Carolina pulling down the Confederate flag. But it’s still not enough. And Hillary Clinton agrees.
http://thefederalist.com/2015/07/10/why-white-people-will-always-be-racists/?utm_source=The+Federalist+List&utm_campaign=dac896f1f8-RSS_The_Federalist_Daily_Updates_w_Transom&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_cfcb868ceb-dac896f1f8-83810921
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Even animals don't see color. They're just afraid of each other like we are...
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"The Confederate flag controversy has never been about being sensitive to minorities in the aftermath of the dreadful mass murder in South Carolina. It has been about stigma and the Democratic Party using it to delegitimize anyone who doesn’t bend to its will.
Stigma is a club in the hand of the totalitarian to increase power. Clinton, Obama, Loretta Lynch, and others will use it over and over again, as long as people allow the stigma to stick. As long as individuals and institutions fear delegitimization because of stigma and refuse to pay the high price of dissent, the power of the totalitarians will grow."
The author is correct; nothing the left achieves will ever be enough because their real goal is to acquire the power to silence any that disagree with them.
Meanwhile, not a single black life will be saved, not a single black student will achieve greater potential, and not a single black person will get a job because the Confederate Battle Flag is taken down. The issue is simply a shiny object to distract people away from the many failures of the left to fix the real problems facing society and to give them the impression that progress is being made.
It will eventually catch up with the left, but a lot of damage will be done to our society by then.
"You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time." - Abraham Lincoln
Stigma is a club in the hand of the totalitarian to increase power. Clinton, Obama, Loretta Lynch, and others will use it over and over again, as long as people allow the stigma to stick. As long as individuals and institutions fear delegitimization because of stigma and refuse to pay the high price of dissent, the power of the totalitarians will grow."
The author is correct; nothing the left achieves will ever be enough because their real goal is to acquire the power to silence any that disagree with them.
Meanwhile, not a single black life will be saved, not a single black student will achieve greater potential, and not a single black person will get a job because the Confederate Battle Flag is taken down. The issue is simply a shiny object to distract people away from the many failures of the left to fix the real problems facing society and to give them the impression that progress is being made.
It will eventually catch up with the left, but a lot of damage will be done to our society by then.
"You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time." - Abraham Lincoln
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The problem with racism is that solving it requires for people to listen and understand each other and in today's world no one wants to take the time and have open honest conversations about anything. They prefer waiting for someone, anyone, to do something and then sensationalize it (be it a white kid killing people in a church, a mexican killing a white woman, or basically anything they can manipulate to fit their preconceived point of view). Some of my best friends (and of course since I started a sentence like this a lot of folks just jumped to the conclusion i'm a racist) and I have had these long conversations and have come to common ground on lets just say "touchy" topics. We accept the fact the bad things happen, we recognized the fact that none of us had anything to do with it, we acknowledge that all of us have shortfalls and shortcomings based on preconceptions we may not have learned when we were growing up with.....we understand there will be conversations that we engage in that may seem racist at face value (for example "do you find "insert race here" woman attractive)......but most of all when stupid stuff happens in the world we accept the fact that there are broken people of all colors and backgrounds out there and the finite number of wrong doers on all sides should not be used to define the masses.
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MSgt Ronald Stacy, I know. Isn't it a shame? Although, you're probably speaking about adults, it's not like that with my family. I have seven grandchildren and they don't see any color, even white people. My seventh is an adopted beautiful little black girl. I love her as much as all my other six. I'm learning in today's society if a kid has a thing about being prejudiced towards another kid with different color, he learned that at home. I'm speaking about blacks, whites, Hispanics, oriental, Middle East, all of them. They are taught to be prejudiced by family, and or, friends. Surprisingly, they don't fit in anywhere., except by the other prejudiced kids. I see it all the time at my grandchildren's involvement in sports, orchestra, Cheerleading camp, anywhere. It makes me proud none of them are involved with anything else besides their activities.
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SGT (Join to see) - It's not just home....black churches, white churches, black barber shops, white barber shops, hispanic churches, hispanic barber shops, schools, television, hell lets be honest discrimination is taught everywhere....racist is an extension of this....it's not only at home......that being said I'm happy your family is the melting pot it is.....where I live there are still churches, barbershops, and hell even a fish monger that i'm not really welcomed at cause i'm white....even had a place tell me when i first got here that "we don't cut white hair"....anyway I digress....but I do agree with you....the other thing folks have to understand is that just cause someone doesn't watch BET or listen to Country Music it doesn't mean they are racist....its just means they have their own tastes and preferences....anyway I seem to be typing a lot for a response I agree wil so I will stop here.
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MSgt Ronald Stacy, The way I see it is that races are afraid of each other due to ignorance. God created all of us equal in His eyes. Ever since slavery, bigotry has taken the place of common sense. Ignorant men and women who don't know any better, instill ignorance in their kids, who continue installing their ignorance right up the line. There's no solution to this ignorant train of thought. For the blacks, whites, pink, purple, whatever the hell the color is, God made each of us this way. You can take it or leave it. That's just the way it is now, and the way it will always be until God changes it.
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SSG Maxwell Goodman
I also don't think most people really know what the word means. I have been accused of being a racist but after we sat down and told the people what the term means they understood that I am not.
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Me too Markl. No way, no how. I have no idea why I used to be against the Vietnamese, here in America. They came in boats and left half or more of their family in Vietnam. That took guts. I was, but haven't been for years and years.
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SP5 Mark Kuzinski
All in all we have come a long long way in the US but we have been losing groung do to the current administration. I'm counting the days until the great divider is out of office.
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Ok, for me my personal view on the matter is this, people will be people and culture may influence how some people behave and some life decisions, but at the end of the day people are people.
And a personal view of mine that is not quite PC is this, everyone is prejudiced in some shape way or form and you know what? That is all right.
Having a prejudice just means that you have a view that is based on assumptions and as long as you reevaluate your views when you get more evidence and remember to give each person you meet the benefit of the doubt until they remove all doubt, you should do alright in life and avoid being that person who holds onto beliefs because of emotional needs.
And a personal view of mine that is not quite PC is this, everyone is prejudiced in some shape way or form and you know what? That is all right.
Having a prejudice just means that you have a view that is based on assumptions and as long as you reevaluate your views when you get more evidence and remember to give each person you meet the benefit of the doubt until they remove all doubt, you should do alright in life and avoid being that person who holds onto beliefs because of emotional needs.
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I see two basic types of racism. 1. A person hate a group of people or an individual solely because of his/her race. This includes treating the people of another race differently. 2. A person assumes or attributes the actions of others on any given topic to be solely based on race whether or not there are other valid reasons for those actions.
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Keith, I think this woman needs to have her head examined. The funny thing about this is, though the SC citizens didn't riot or set fire to everything in sight, but in some ways, they did. So as I have said before, erasing history, does not correct history. As to the Governor of SC and her rush to remove the flag....she was a big supporter of that flag before the current issue. And saying that the assailant had mental health issues is a cop out. John Holms, the idiot from Colorado is trying to plead for an insanity plea.....BS with a capital BullShit. This guy was a PHD candidate at the age of 24, and was mad because he failed part of the process. This garbage that people who commit these heinous crimes have some type of mental health issues is an excuse. Is there racism in the US, absolutely, is it just whites...hell no. This flap over erasing all signs of the confederate symbols is just a bunch a idiots pandering to the mass media machine and trying to be Politically Correct so as not to look bad in front of the camera. Just like the discussion to remove the Memorial of GEN Nathan B. Forrest from a park, because "People may not want to have a picnic there because of the memorial" is beyond stupid. After being dead for 138 years, I don't think is going to ask what is in the picnic basket. Yes this rant is all over the place, but think about it....one piece of news feeds off another. The bigger question with all of these situations, changes in law, kneejerk reactions to a tragedy is when did people quit using common sense and become pandering politically correct media fearing followers. Sorry for the rant, Hope everyone is having a great weekend.
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old thread but relevant to the situation today. Just yesterday I was told by a black female: "If you are white and not a racist, then it shouldn't offend you when black people call white people racist because what they are saying does not apply to you. If you are offended then you are a racist. It's that simple". I replied, "If you are black and not a thug, then it shouldn't offend you when white people call black people thugs because what they are saying does not apply to you. If you are offended then you are a thug. It's that simple. Funny how that crap works both ways". Her response was to get offended and call me a racist. go figure.....
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MAJ Byron Oyler
She is stereotyping and for years that has not been ok but I guess if it has to do with whites being racist, it is ok. White people have done a lot of bad things over the years, got that however turning that around and doing it to someone else is just as wrong. It astonishes me that people do not understand that two wrongs do not make a right. All people like her are doing is growing hate and division and until someone grows up, it will get much worse before it gets better. Just ask the Jews and Arabs or the Hatfields and McCoys.
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This is over 4 years old, so I know I am late to the party. Yet for some reason, RP has put it near the top of the answers page. Which must mean something.... So... Just a thought about the article.
The author rants about how awful it is that whites have to comply or face stigmatization. And this has been going on for 10 whole years! Hell maybe even 20 or 25!
Ummmmmm.... Well, gosh. Maybe after 100s of years of being the ones forcing others to comply, it's our turn to do the complying?
Not saying I agree with the author's premise or supporting arguments (which are about 50/50 conjecture and extrapolation of a small sample size), but even if the author were 100% spot on in every single detail.... So what? Saice for the goose is good for the gander. Just sayin'.
The author rants about how awful it is that whites have to comply or face stigmatization. And this has been going on for 10 whole years! Hell maybe even 20 or 25!
Ummmmmm.... Well, gosh. Maybe after 100s of years of being the ones forcing others to comply, it's our turn to do the complying?
Not saying I agree with the author's premise or supporting arguments (which are about 50/50 conjecture and extrapolation of a small sample size), but even if the author were 100% spot on in every single detail.... So what? Saice for the goose is good for the gander. Just sayin'.
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