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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missouri_State_Militia_(Union)
Missouri has a volunteer state militia. Prior to the civil war the governor would and could call upon it's members to address emergencies, now the state has the National Guard to call on for emergencies, however the state militia continues to exist. It is not a part of the Reserve Military, it is a private defense organization of the state of Missouri, not funded by the state or federal government. Many of it's members are prior military. Their training occurs much the same as on the schedule for the Reserves and National Guard. appreciate all of your replies. I want to be clear here though that what I am talking about is NOT a State funded, ran, structured, controlled organization. It does not fall under the state government in anyway. The meetings, dates, times and locations are by invitation and or for members only. I have provided additional links to their web sites below, in the thread.
Missouri has a volunteer state militia. Prior to the civil war the governor would and could call upon it's members to address emergencies, now the state has the National Guard to call on for emergencies, however the state militia continues to exist. It is not a part of the Reserve Military, it is a private defense organization of the state of Missouri, not funded by the state or federal government. Many of it's members are prior military. Their training occurs much the same as on the schedule for the Reserves and National Guard. appreciate all of your replies. I want to be clear here though that what I am talking about is NOT a State funded, ran, structured, controlled organization. It does not fall under the state government in anyway. The meetings, dates, times and locations are by invitation and or for members only. I have provided additional links to their web sites below, in the thread.
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"A well regulated militia *being necessary* to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." I swore to support and defend this document, which calls the existence of a well regulated militia necessary to the security of a free state, so no doubt, it should exist.
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COL Jon Thompson
I think some of your comparisons are flawed. It was the Continental Army with the French that defeated the British. The militias were very undisciplined and unreliable. The Warsaw uprising failed to do anything and was suppressed by the Nazis. While the militias caused casualties in both, in the end they did not accomplish anything. When you look at Afghanistan or Iraq, we went into foreign countries with different cultures and different languages. We have also been bound by the law of land warfare. Those would not apply for a tyrannical government here. I do hope I never see the day that this happens.
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Capt Richard I P.
COL Jon Thompson The continental army would never have been raised but for the militias of New Hampshire and Massachusetts 19 April 1775, nor would it have been equipped but through the stockpiles of those militias and the protection they enacted of it. The French would never have committed had not the militias offered the time space and equipment for the Continental Army to prove the dedication and capability to win. Sure, the Warsaw Ghetto was crushed, so was every other ghetto, but one of them attriteted the enemy. Incremental gains. Sure, we were hampered by operating outside our own culture, but the insurgents opposing us were operating against another culture (and one with vastly improved technological understanding) imagine a more even match between insurgent and occupier in both cultural and technological understanding.
As to hope against Tyranny, we share that hope, but I think its important to keep a check on the ambitions of would be tyrants with the threats of undisciplined and unreliable opposition that can delay and attrite while more disciplined and able forces are prepared and maneuvered to defeat the tyranny.
As to hope against Tyranny, we share that hope, but I think its important to keep a check on the ambitions of would be tyrants with the threats of undisciplined and unreliable opposition that can delay and attrite while more disciplined and able forces are prepared and maneuvered to defeat the tyranny.
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CPO Joseph Grant
Capt Richard I P. First off I apologize for the inadvertent down vote. I corrected it immediately. Secondly, I wholeheartedly agree with your posts. Well said, Sir. We are at the end of the lifespan of a democracy and those militias will be needed as we descend into a dictatorship. They'll be more effective than people think. They'll know the land, have the support of large numbers of the populace and will have the greatest motivation known to man, they'll be fighting for family and kin.
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CPO Joseph Grant Thanks for your kind words, I surely hope we have some remaining decades on this democratic republic's lifecycle. I think one of the main utilities in the militia is in their very existence and potential as a check on the ambitions of would-be tyrants. Maybe people who would seek total control will settle for milking the tax code or the rotating door of politics to lobbying some and living fabulously wealthy on ill gotten gains, or adding some velvet bars to the margins rather than turning truly repressive.
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I thought the National Guard of today was essentially the state militia, until federalized... is that not true? They trace their roots there? (update)... who know this group was even here???? I say no, but it appears many think these state groups have a place.
http://www.missourimilitia.com/
http://www.missourimilitia.com/
MISSOURI MILITIA - State Defense Force for MO Citizens
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LTC Bink Romanick
COL Charles Williams The State Guard is part of the NJ Dept of Military and Veterans Affairs authorized in the state constitution. The Commander is a Rear Admiral supervised by the state Adjutant General. The Rear AdmItaly plays position has been vacant for some time.
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COL Jon Thompson the 1st and second battalions are authorized to be armed (but never were) the law enforcement duties would occur only if deputized in time of civil unrest.
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We had request from a member of the Texas militia to become a verified member. I wasn't touching that one with a 10ft pole.
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The Texas State Guard is a state-recognized militia force, though I believe that it is different than the Texas Militia:
http://texasmilitia.info/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_State_Guard
The Texas State Guard is a state-recognized militia force, though I believe that it is different than the Texas Militia:
http://texasmilitia.info/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_State_Guard
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PO1 John Miller - Yes, you are correct in your belief. The Texas State Guard is exists under the authority and control of the Adjutant General of the Texas National Guard and Governor of Texas. The Texas State Militia does not have any ties to the state - in fact, it seems just the opposite.
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PO1 John Miller
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Here in AZ we are authorized a State Guard but it has not actually been created. It is not to be confused by the various groups calling themselves names such as Arizona State Militia, Arizona Militia, etc. who in my opinion are a bunch of yahoos who want to position themselves at the Mexican/US border to take shots at any illegals trying to cross into the US.
Here in AZ we are authorized a State Guard but it has not actually been created. It is not to be confused by the various groups calling themselves names such as Arizona State Militia, Arizona Militia, etc. who in my opinion are a bunch of yahoos who want to position themselves at the Mexican/US border to take shots at any illegals trying to cross into the US.
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Hahah yes the regulated militias and the SDFs are completely different. Many SDFs are considered attachments to their states NG and train/work alongside them
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CPT (Join to see) I had to really look this up online, because I thought this was disbanded a long time ago, but it wasn't! I took this right of the their website. My answer vote is "No" because we already have a Missouri National Guard. I never knew they existed.
"The intent of the Missouri Militia is to act as a supplemental State Defense Force (SDF) for the state of Missouri. The militia is classified as a civilian volunteer organization and therefore will carry out operations in absence of orders as dictated by necessity during a crisis. All Missouri Militia personnel will conduct themselves with professionalism, integrity and the utmost respect for others at all times.
Missouri law makes provisions for the Militia in the Missouri Revised Statutes, Title V Chapter 41: Military Forces - Sections 41.030, 41.050, 41.060, 41.070, 41.720
Today's militia has a wide spectrum of missions, from disaster relief to terrorism prevention. The slogan echoed now is "State Defense and Community Service." One role of the militia is defense of the state from terrorism or invasion. Other roles include disaster relief, search and rescue, emergency preparedness education and serving the community.
We can serve our communities through aid programs like Harvesters, Habitat for Humanity, Project Warmth, Blood Drives as well as raising money for charities benefitting military veterans, cancer research, or volunteering at local food pantries and shelters. Given that the militia is primarily defensive in nature, it is natural that much of its resources should be aimed at bettering the communities from which it is derived.
Our military is deployed around the world, and here at home the threat of foreign and domestic terrorist acts is demonstrably real, as we have learned with events like the Oklahoma City bombing and the World Trade Center attacks. Modern life has created a situation where deadly chemicals and hazardous materials are manufactured, stored, and transported in our cities and towns and throughout the countryside, which present threats weather intentionally or accidentally unleashed on the public.
In addition to man made threats, increasingly volatile weather patterns and the natural world itself confront us with disaster on a regular basis: the Joplin tornado is a recent example, and with the possibility of a major seismic event on the New Madrid fault looming always in the background, a strong case to be prepared for large scale disasters is not hard to make. Our people are more vulnerable than ever before.
Interested? Learn more about what's involved becoming a member of the Missouri Militia.
You may be saying,
"What can I do?" or
"I don't have any training for that!"
We understand. The militia is unlike anything you've probably ever experienced. It requires you to ask more of yourself, to learn new skills, and to take the path less traveled. It requires courage, integrity, and strength of character. In the militia you will be charged with defending your fellow man, helping those in need, facing disaster when it is much easier to do nothing."
"The intent of the Missouri Militia is to act as a supplemental State Defense Force (SDF) for the state of Missouri. The militia is classified as a civilian volunteer organization and therefore will carry out operations in absence of orders as dictated by necessity during a crisis. All Missouri Militia personnel will conduct themselves with professionalism, integrity and the utmost respect for others at all times.
Missouri law makes provisions for the Militia in the Missouri Revised Statutes, Title V Chapter 41: Military Forces - Sections 41.030, 41.050, 41.060, 41.070, 41.720
Today's militia has a wide spectrum of missions, from disaster relief to terrorism prevention. The slogan echoed now is "State Defense and Community Service." One role of the militia is defense of the state from terrorism or invasion. Other roles include disaster relief, search and rescue, emergency preparedness education and serving the community.
We can serve our communities through aid programs like Harvesters, Habitat for Humanity, Project Warmth, Blood Drives as well as raising money for charities benefitting military veterans, cancer research, or volunteering at local food pantries and shelters. Given that the militia is primarily defensive in nature, it is natural that much of its resources should be aimed at bettering the communities from which it is derived.
Our military is deployed around the world, and here at home the threat of foreign and domestic terrorist acts is demonstrably real, as we have learned with events like the Oklahoma City bombing and the World Trade Center attacks. Modern life has created a situation where deadly chemicals and hazardous materials are manufactured, stored, and transported in our cities and towns and throughout the countryside, which present threats weather intentionally or accidentally unleashed on the public.
In addition to man made threats, increasingly volatile weather patterns and the natural world itself confront us with disaster on a regular basis: the Joplin tornado is a recent example, and with the possibility of a major seismic event on the New Madrid fault looming always in the background, a strong case to be prepared for large scale disasters is not hard to make. Our people are more vulnerable than ever before.
Interested? Learn more about what's involved becoming a member of the Missouri Militia.
You may be saying,
"What can I do?" or
"I don't have any training for that!"
We understand. The militia is unlike anything you've probably ever experienced. It requires you to ask more of yourself, to learn new skills, and to take the path less traveled. It requires courage, integrity, and strength of character. In the militia you will be charged with defending your fellow man, helping those in need, facing disaster when it is much easier to do nothing."
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Lt Col (Join to see)
Again, what purpose would they serve? Why is a symbol of state rights needed? Unless you subscribe to the theory that the Federal Gov't is posed to invade individual states and subjugate the local population to some unusual form of martial law (I don't subscribe to this fear in any way, shape, or form), then why does it matter if a militia force is outside the existing chain of command? What else could they do independently of the National Guard and other existing law enforcement and first responders, etc in the event of a statewide emergency? There are already significant challenges providing assistance in the event of natural disaster, environmental accidents, security during criminal activity, etc. Unless you have an existing organization that has more resources than everything else and can function as part of a coordinated effort to deal with emergencies (hence the need to function within some sort of chain of command for a cohesive effort), I'm not seeing much use for a state militia. My answer in the absence of more convincing information is still 'No'
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SGT Jeremy Reese
One reason is that Title 32 soldiers, or M-Day National Guardsmen can be federalized and deployed, the Militias leave the states with troops after we are deployed. Can be used for peace keeping, natural disasters, and the like, just as the National Guard is currently used, with the same state sponsored resources. Most are trained by National Guard elements at regional training centers and fall under the same state chain of command as the National Guard. What we are talking about are essentially in reserve to the National Guard. As for the Symbol of State's rights, it is guaranteed by the second amendment. I don't subscribe to the fear of invasion by federal military, however, it is part of the reason for the second amendment.
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CPO Joseph Grant
The state militias should exist because sometime in the future the federal government might actually designed to deploy troops. It works as a check and balance and helps to prevent a police state
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CW3 Kevin Storm
Lt Col (Join to see) - In the event of full scale war, and the majority of the State National Guard is called up, things like wildfires, floods, civil disturbances still happen. Many of the Western States have these units, for just this purpose.
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1LT William Clardy
Actually, Sgt Richard Buckner, you may be overstating the "not required to obey" part. State Guards are not exempt from federal law, they just can not be placed under the command of federal officers.
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LTC Bink Romanick
State guard is mostly retired NGs trained for disaster relief at least that's the way it uses in NJ
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I appreciate all of your replies. I want to be clear here though that what I am talking about is NOT a State funded, ran, structured, controlled organization. It does not fall under the state government in anyway. The meetings, dates, times and locations are by invitation and or for members only.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=5&ved=0CDwQFjAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fblogs.riverfronttimes.com%2Fdailyrft%2F2011%2F06%2Fmissouri_militia_joplin_tornado_relief.php&ei=veCNVZivIMGisQW3sQE&usg=AFQjCNGr0RSpUdNGJErlM2oYaSk-aV53Ng&sig2=ck1_mT1sWDS2KiHuEm3nYg&bvm=bv.96783405,d.b2whttps://http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&ved=0CDYQtwIwAw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DWc2IWBUnJFs&ei=veCNVZivIMGisQW3sQE&usg=AFQjCNEZb_TXgrg3FwjjZC2xZrcJMIaZIw&sig2=cjBRFmEMxfd4z83WOA9A0w&bvm=bv.96783405,d.b2w
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1LT William Clardy
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Here in Maine, the problem is that organizations such as the self-designated Maine Militia run afoul of state laws such as this:
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Title 37-B: DEFENSE, VETERANS AND EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT
Chapter 3: MILITARY BUREAU
§150. Unauthorized volunteer service
A unit of the state military forces may not perform any voluntary active state service, unless authorized by express order of the Governor.
An officer, warrant officer or enlisted person or any retired officer, retired warrant officer or retired enlisted person of the state military forces may not perform any voluntary active state service, unless authorized by express order of the Governor, the Adjutant General or the Deputy Adjutant General.
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§342. Prohibited acts; penalties
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2. Other military organizations prohibited. No group of persons, other than federal or state military forces, may join together as a military organization or parade in public with firearms. Associations of historical military reenactors may parade in public with firearms with authorization of the city or town officials in the municipality in which they wish to parade. Students in educational institutions where military science is taught, as a prescribed part of the course of instruction, may drill and parade with firearms in public under the supervision of their military instructors.
Any person violating this subsection is guilty of a Class E crime.
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http://bangordailynews.com/2010/10/29/news/maine-militia-fights-public-perception/
Here in Maine, the problem is that organizations such as the self-designated Maine Militia run afoul of state laws such as this:
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Title 37-B: DEFENSE, VETERANS AND EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT
Chapter 3: MILITARY BUREAU
§150. Unauthorized volunteer service
A unit of the state military forces may not perform any voluntary active state service, unless authorized by express order of the Governor.
An officer, warrant officer or enlisted person or any retired officer, retired warrant officer or retired enlisted person of the state military forces may not perform any voluntary active state service, unless authorized by express order of the Governor, the Adjutant General or the Deputy Adjutant General.
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§342. Prohibited acts; penalties
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2. Other military organizations prohibited. No group of persons, other than federal or state military forces, may join together as a military organization or parade in public with firearms. Associations of historical military reenactors may parade in public with firearms with authorization of the city or town officials in the municipality in which they wish to parade. Students in educational institutions where military science is taught, as a prescribed part of the course of instruction, may drill and parade with firearms in public under the supervision of their military instructors.
Any person violating this subsection is guilty of a Class E crime.
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http://bangordailynews.com/2010/10/29/news/maine-militia-fights-public-perception/
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COL Charles Williams
http://www.missourimilitia.com/ CPT (Join to see)
This is what you were referring to... Not the militia from 1861-1865...
This is what you were referring to... Not the militia from 1861-1865...
MISSOURI MILITIA - State Defense Force for MO Citizens
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CPT (Join to see), the State of Tennessee has their version called the Tennessee State Guard. It's an all volunteer force whose stated mission is: "to provide a professional complement of personnel to support the State mission of the Tennessee National Guard, by assisting the Tennessee Army National Guard as a force multiplier, and at the direction of the Adjutant General, to assist civil authorities with disaster relief, humanitarian causes, ceremonial service, religious and medical support for the well being and safety of the citizenry of Tennessee."
http://www.tnmilitary.org/tennessee-state-guard.html
http://www.tnmilitary.org/tennessee-state-guard.html
The Tennessee State Guard is the all-volunteer arm of the Tennessee Military Department. It is authorized by Tennessee Code Annotated 58-1-401.
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MSgt Steven Holt, NRP, CCEMT-P
I happen to be a member of the TNSG. We receive very little funding from the State per se. We have a large disaster relief mission with most of the equipment, supplies, and materials provided by the members themselves. Thankfully, we don't have to activate often but we stand ready if/when the call comes.
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LTC Stephen C.
Nice to see that you're still serving, MSgt Steven Holt, NRP, CCEMT-P. I interviewed with some of the TNSG personnel in Nashville not long after I retired in MAY98. I ultimately decided not to participate.
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MSgt Steven Holt, NRP, CCEMT-P
Thank you LTC Stephen C.. I just couldn't stand not wearing the uniform any more.
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SMSgt Lawrence McCarter
Massachusetts also has a State Militia but although the uniform does resemble the Army uniform, in place of the US and the lapel are the letters, MA They participate in state functions only and may assist the Guard but are not actually part of the National Guard as I believe are unpaid volunteers. Some may have had or have Military backgrounds but they aren't actually part of the Armed Force, Reserves or National Guard. Some of their units tend to have an Honorary status.
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New York has a state militia called the New York Guard which fills the void when the National Guard deploys. It is state sanctioned and funded. They specialize in CBRN response, search and rescue, and other humanitarian missions. They can be mobilized as a state defense force by the governor. In this regard, I think it is a good idea to supplement the National Guard in a time when this reserve force has been utilized heavily in combat and other overseas missions. However, I do not know how I feel about privately organized militias. With little or no oversight, I am hesitant to trust their intentions, training, and competency.
COL Charles Williams
Hmmm I knew of the NY Guard... from a buddy of my (COL in the NY ARNG), but he did not speak highly of them. Apparently Missouri has one... 2LT Michael Brodka
http://www.missourimilitia.com/
http://www.missourimilitia.com/
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Yes many states have a militia that backs up the National Guard in times of state emergencies. It is place for Veterans who are not ready to hang up the uniform to still be a service to the State. Often they are unpaid, but maybe Doctor's, Lawyers, and other professionals who help relive the burden on the NG force.
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