Posted on May 4, 2016
Do you believe that these West Point first classman are violating the UCMJ by making a political statement while in uniform?
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DOD directive 1344.10 states:
-A member of the Armed Forces on active duty may:
4.1.1.3. Join a partisan or nonpartisan political club and attend its meetings when NOT in uniform, subject to the restrictions of subparagraph 4.1.2.4. (See DoD Instruction 1334.1 (Reference (c).)
From the article "Racism Within West Point"
http://www.inthearenafitness.com/index.php/racism-within-west-point
-A member of the Armed Forces on active duty may:
4.1.1.3. Join a partisan or nonpartisan political club and attend its meetings when NOT in uniform, subject to the restrictions of subparagraph 4.1.2.4. (See DoD Instruction 1334.1 (Reference (c).)
From the article "Racism Within West Point"
http://www.inthearenafitness.com/index.php/racism-within-west-point
Edited 9 y ago
Posted 9 y ago
Responses: 236
can anyone prove, other than the yellow scandal loving press, that these cadets really intended to make a political statement?
can anyone brush off 4 years of hard studies and training and living under our most precios value "Duty Honor Country"?
whoever is promoting this photo as a political statement must be shamed in his/her attempt to damage and embarrass this senior cadets and soon to be officers of the United States Army.
can anyone brush off 4 years of hard studies and training and living under our most precios value "Duty Honor Country"?
whoever is promoting this photo as a political statement must be shamed in his/her attempt to damage and embarrass this senior cadets and soon to be officers of the United States Army.
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Great question COL Russell. Because belief systems are diverse and tend to induce parochial historiographies and symbolisms (i.e., Operational Intelligence (OPINT) and Imagery Intelligence IMINT) of discord, I'll delay offering my beliefs until the end and start by framing my response with the aphorism, "One man's civil rights is another man's human rights."
In the following link please find OPINT and IMINT addressing a similar protest incident that occurred with American Olympians Tommie Smith and John Carlos; and Australian Olympian Peter Norman during the 1968 Olympics at Mexico City. It provides a prescient warning that this OPREP-3 Incident/Event will probably uncover findings of UMCJ violations, if history repeats itself. http://www.josephclan.com/tjblog/?p=1522.
Although I believe the "Black Power" and "Black Lives Matter" dialectics used in tandem with the historic fist-raising imagery is divisive, my earliest memory of its use is during the 1970's by a group of disenfranchised American revolutionaries, namely "Black Panthers," who were politicizing their struggle for "Human Rights.” However, due to Rockefeller-indoctrinated leadership and social systems leveraged by Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., the Southern Christian Leadership Conference (SCLC), the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) and forces not so explicable, the disenfranchised were outmaneuver into into settling for “Civil Rights,” which according to activist lawyer Michelle Alexander (2010) has proven to be a new caste system that offers advantages only the few that "toe the line" in sustaining the civil-right psychological operation (PSYOP). These West Point first classmen fail to realize that they've given up human rights given by God or natural law in place of civil rights provided by the state or the republic that is educating them for military service. https://www.solidarity-us.org/site/node/2189
I also believe that these West Point first classmen are the new freedom fighters, who, armed with the right public relations (PR) spin or Information Operation (IO) support, represent solidarity for global human rights, creating a "win-win" situation for both America and West Point. Unfortunately, although they've demonstrate the leadership will, without the appropriate IO support they forfeit the psychological wealth and weaponry to achieve their objective—and all three tools are necessary for real changes in progressive human rights. In the meantime UCMJ is designed to sustain the American civil-rights PSYSOP, not political statements of sixteen West Point first classmen. This is the wrong attire and wrong forum. http://web.calstatela.edu/faculty/cendy/glossary.pdf
In the following link please find OPINT and IMINT addressing a similar protest incident that occurred with American Olympians Tommie Smith and John Carlos; and Australian Olympian Peter Norman during the 1968 Olympics at Mexico City. It provides a prescient warning that this OPREP-3 Incident/Event will probably uncover findings of UMCJ violations, if history repeats itself. http://www.josephclan.com/tjblog/?p=1522.
Although I believe the "Black Power" and "Black Lives Matter" dialectics used in tandem with the historic fist-raising imagery is divisive, my earliest memory of its use is during the 1970's by a group of disenfranchised American revolutionaries, namely "Black Panthers," who were politicizing their struggle for "Human Rights.” However, due to Rockefeller-indoctrinated leadership and social systems leveraged by Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., the Southern Christian Leadership Conference (SCLC), the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) and forces not so explicable, the disenfranchised were outmaneuver into into settling for “Civil Rights,” which according to activist lawyer Michelle Alexander (2010) has proven to be a new caste system that offers advantages only the few that "toe the line" in sustaining the civil-right psychological operation (PSYOP). These West Point first classmen fail to realize that they've given up human rights given by God or natural law in place of civil rights provided by the state or the republic that is educating them for military service. https://www.solidarity-us.org/site/node/2189
I also believe that these West Point first classmen are the new freedom fighters, who, armed with the right public relations (PR) spin or Information Operation (IO) support, represent solidarity for global human rights, creating a "win-win" situation for both America and West Point. Unfortunately, although they've demonstrate the leadership will, without the appropriate IO support they forfeit the psychological wealth and weaponry to achieve their objective—and all three tools are necessary for real changes in progressive human rights. In the meantime UCMJ is designed to sustain the American civil-rights PSYSOP, not political statements of sixteen West Point first classmen. This is the wrong attire and wrong forum. http://web.calstatela.edu/faculty/cendy/glossary.pdf

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MAJ Hugh Blanchard
I was wondering if anyone was going to recall this Olympic episode in this discussion. Interesting.
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MSgt Ken "Airsoldier" Collins-Hardy
At the end of the day, the question is enigmatic because a political statement is being made anytime one dons the military uniform whether it toes the party line or not.
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Perception is everything.... It doesn't bother me but everything has to be equal. I could open a can of worms but it wouldn't change anything.
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SSG (Join to see)
SPC Andrew Griffin - You asked how Black Lives Matter became a Hate Group. I was answering that question.
It's the perception that matters. And the perception on these Cadets is negative
It's the perception that matters. And the perception on these Cadets is negative
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Weather you like what they are doing or not is immaterial. We as Soldiers, and especially West Point Cadets must honor the commitment that they raised their right hand for. Everyone has an opinion on whatever the topic is, but at the end of the day we are all still soldiers. you have to trust your leaders, and the leaders trust the troops to have their back when we go into a hostile situation. To me "All Lives Matter" I do not care what color you are, ethnic background, political affiliation, or anything that doesn't pertain to the mission. I have had leaders who were different ethnic background, and I would have followed them to the gates of hell if they wanted to go their. You want to voice your opinion go ahead, but do it out of uniform and on your own time. Not in uniform and so obviously expressing and political and racial opinion.
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Edgy, yes; not sure it crosses the line. Clearly, it's in uniform and you could make a strong argument that they are violating the spirit, if not the letter of the regulation. On the other hand - when are USMA Cadets EVER out of uniform? If the problem is real, and it's about behavior manifesting inside their ranks or inside the walls at USMA, then maybe this was their only recourse, short of resignation. If I were the Commandant of Cadets or the IG up there, those in the picture might warrant a reprimand yes, and some re-training on Army Values and the statues involved here. And then I'd be thinking long and hard about whether there's a bigger issue at here. Maybe they're off-base, and MAYBE...they aren't; and nobody's been listening. The article says there were many sessions with senior leaders about the issue before this happened. Were they taken seriously?
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Capt Adam Saxe
"[W]hen are USMA Cadets EVER out of uniform?" -- great point, Colonel.
As an ROTC guy, I remember my cadets (and leadership) wondering why I would wear the uniform from time to time outside of formations and drills. My blunt answer was simply to impress girls. It had mixed results.
But of course Academy life is very different from ROTC life. We ROTC cadets were given (almost) free-reign to engage in public political activity (out of uniform, of course) as long as we did not explicitly denigrate the chain-of-command. Even this became blurry at the height of public passions around the lead-up to OIF.
I suppose our Colonel could sleep at night knowing that he commanded a detachment at a relatively non-political mid-western state school and that most of his cadets were engineering majors, and not poly-sci majors (like myself)!
I think the cadets in question shouldn't have their future careers jeopardized, but simply be given an unofficial counseling that reminds them they will be leading troops of all backgrounds, races, colors, ethnicities, religions, etc. and they are obligated to come down hard equally on anyone that even gives the appearance, in uniform, to be challenging civilian control.
As an ROTC guy, I remember my cadets (and leadership) wondering why I would wear the uniform from time to time outside of formations and drills. My blunt answer was simply to impress girls. It had mixed results.
But of course Academy life is very different from ROTC life. We ROTC cadets were given (almost) free-reign to engage in public political activity (out of uniform, of course) as long as we did not explicitly denigrate the chain-of-command. Even this became blurry at the height of public passions around the lead-up to OIF.
I suppose our Colonel could sleep at night knowing that he commanded a detachment at a relatively non-political mid-western state school and that most of his cadets were engineering majors, and not poly-sci majors (like myself)!
I think the cadets in question shouldn't have their future careers jeopardized, but simply be given an unofficial counseling that reminds them they will be leading troops of all backgrounds, races, colors, ethnicities, religions, etc. and they are obligated to come down hard equally on anyone that even gives the appearance, in uniform, to be challenging civilian control.
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SSgt (Join to see)
White Power sign... a demonstration against Jim Crow. CPT L S But you like me, all the same/ :)
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Yes and I am positive that the appropriate disciplinary action is being taken, or has already. Remeber these are college students, it will likely not be there last mistake. I am sure that they will go on to become stellar officers in their chosen field.
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Allow me to be frank, the candy assing around the facts here is disgusting. They are in clear violation of UCMJ. If those stairs were covered with blonde haired, blue eyed, white women throwing up their right arm in a heil salute this would be on every news channel and every newspaper in the world. They should all be suspended from the academy and disqualified from service in the military. These "future leaders" have publicly demonstrated racial bias while in uniform.
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SPC Rory J. Mattheisen
CPT (Anonymous) - You hide behind anonymity and have the nerve to point fingers... That SGT needs a haircut, and to remove those stupid ass beads while he is in uniform and his CO should have handled that the day before in the briefing, also his sax strap should not have branding either. My take, he is a guard/reserve troop and his COC is just as 8^ as he is. Nowhere in that picture is any racial bias on display, an 8^ NCO yes. An officer hiding in an office utilizing bad examples to attempt to prove an invalid point, yes. So Captain, in closing if you intend to come at me do not come with some weak ass bullshit and call me a candy ass.
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SPC Rory J. Mattheisen
1) I never became an NCO because before I made SPC I knew I was on my way out. I watched a SFC destroy a troops room and then his life and enjoy it. There is no integrity in the Corps, and the loyalty is no longer between the troops it is to the regulations and code. The military used to take care of its own but it is a CYA pajama party now. The sad thing is... I loved the Army, I wanted to put in 25 if I could.
2) That is understandable and I apologize for getting short.
3) Having pride in something like where you were born to me is the shining example of the damage ignorance and arrogance can do. To me, shows just how low the bar has been set in this country. There is no room for pride in the heart of the professional soldier, there should be no thought of self in the mind of the professional soldier, and above all there can be no superiority other than rank in the eyes of the professional soldier.
2) That is understandable and I apologize for getting short.
3) Having pride in something like where you were born to me is the shining example of the damage ignorance and arrogance can do. To me, shows just how low the bar has been set in this country. There is no room for pride in the heart of the professional soldier, there should be no thought of self in the mind of the professional soldier, and above all there can be no superiority other than rank in the eyes of the professional soldier.
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So I may be out of line saying this ...but This should be corrected and adjusted. After seeing all the images of the people holding the same stance and stepping upon our flag in the past couple of years makes the average person would question ones agenda doing the same stance while in uniform and being under oath for said country that flies this flag. Sorry if this may sound questionable but my brain does not function well today as it did 20+ years ago. (Not a dead head just mentally drained from chronic pain).
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They are in direct violation of UCMJ, this is conduct unbecoming to say the very least. These "future leaders" have placed their inability to see through color on full display for the entire world to see and they should be discharged and disqualified from service the same as a white Cadet would be for participating in a Neo-Nazi rally. These kids have disrespected every woman who has fought for their right to wear the uniform. Could you imagine the outrage if those women were blonde haired, blue eyed white girls with their arms and fingers extended at a 45-degree angle? The sex/race card is out of control.
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The reality is this photo was a bad idea, and may come back to haunt these cadets if they choose to make the military a career. While I don't think they acted in good judgment it will be hard to bring for disciplinary action under the UCMJ.
Another point of note is I find it funny the amount of people "offended" by this photo. I wonder what reactions these same people had to the events that were the actual catalyst to the BLM group. I am more offended by unarmed citizens being murdered by law enforcement, than a photo of some 22 year olds raising their fists. Maybe my priorities are different.
Another point of note is I find it funny the amount of people "offended" by this photo. I wonder what reactions these same people had to the events that were the actual catalyst to the BLM group. I am more offended by unarmed citizens being murdered by law enforcement, than a photo of some 22 year olds raising their fists. Maybe my priorities are different.
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CPT Ahmed Faried
"I wonder what reactions these same people had to the events that were the actual catalyst to the BLM group. I am more offended by unarmed citizens being murdered by law enforcement, than a photo of some 22 year olds raising their fists. "
Fire for effect.
Fire for effect.
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Laws, rules, and regulations are in place for a reason and we all know it. Violations need to be corrected. The problem today is the USA is so politically correct that our Leaders everywhere are too scared to enforce them for certain people.
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While it will be explained away and forgotten fairly soon, Sir it is my belief it was a very stupid thing to do at that Institution given the time and effort put forth to get to their current level. Regardless of the PC movement it shows a lack of critical thinking and understanding 2nd and 3rd order effects. Considering the path our military is taking these days this will not be the exception but the norm very soon.
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As I look over these comments- very much mostly white men- I am startled that everyone is so intensely-focused on the fists and the "sourpuss" looks on their faces. Aren't MOST formal military photographs taken in "straight face"? Mine was not (even though I intended to look tough) because the photographer said something funny about PDA right before she snapped the picture. I got a talking to (at high volume so everyone could enjoy it) from the TI about maintaining my military bearing!!
In any regard- I must admit that the photo worried me a little, too. Are those young cadets propping SWORDS upon their necks? Gracious! What kind of safety plan is THAT? I wish they would put those down before they get a shave they'll never forget!!! I'll bet their mothers had a FIT when they saw that.
Yep- no holding swords on your neck. That should be incorporated into the UCMJ if it is not there already. This way all you white men would have something to whine about, and those naughty cadets could loose their handsome swords, and walk those hours you mentioned below!
In any regard- I must admit that the photo worried me a little, too. Are those young cadets propping SWORDS upon their necks? Gracious! What kind of safety plan is THAT? I wish they would put those down before they get a shave they'll never forget!!! I'll bet their mothers had a FIT when they saw that.
Yep- no holding swords on your neck. That should be incorporated into the UCMJ if it is not there already. This way all you white men would have something to whine about, and those naughty cadets could loose their handsome swords, and walk those hours you mentioned below!
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No.
How is this photograph any different than a sorority or other organization photo?
A hand held high in victory would seem appropriate for those who slogged through four years of West Point, don't you think?
How is this photograph any different than a sorority or other organization photo?
A hand held high in victory would seem appropriate for those who slogged through four years of West Point, don't you think?
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MSG (Join to see)
i guess you never grew up in the 60's, 4 olympians had thier gold medals removed for the same gesture, do your homework, before you blindley post
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A1C Melissa Jackson
MSG (Join to see)
I know about the Olympians- it is WRONG that they had their medals removed. It is WRONG that people are grasping their pearls and breathlessly crying out that these women should be sanctioned.
I do not EVER "blindley" (sic) post. My statement stands.
I know about the Olympians- it is WRONG that they had their medals removed. It is WRONG that people are grasping their pearls and breathlessly crying out that these women should be sanctioned.
I do not EVER "blindley" (sic) post. My statement stands.
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Cadets do dumb stuff, mostly trying to be funny. Some of my classmates (1982) decided it would be funny to dress in KKK outfits one night during the summer training at Camp Buckner. The pictures were later leaked to the press, and a scandal resulted. I give the above cadets the benefit of the doubt.
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SFC Jim Ruether
Oh and Cpt. Anonymous when you grow a set sir, try printing your name by your comments. I see all these people screaming Black lives matter! Yes they do, of course they do, but why not say American Lives matter instead! That includes us all. When you claim special privilege because of the color of your skin, your religion or your ethnicity then you've placed these things above being an American.
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Marlene Hessler
SFC Jim Ruether - What a concept. That's how the United States has historically been until the liberal loons started occupying our white house and turned all the standards and laws upside down. Right is now wrong. Wrong is now right. Laws that protect us are all wrong. Let all the criminals out of prison. Open the borders.
And, the result is BEDLAM, CHAOS. Just as the America hater commands.
And, the result is BEDLAM, CHAOS. Just as the America hater commands.
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SFC Jim Ruether
You are right Marlene, unfortunately! We need to take our country back by electing new people into office and keep the career politicians(Crooks, fakers, posers) away from any power and our money. They say if our legislators wanted to fix the pay for servicemen and women it would have been fixed long ago. The same goes for Insurance!
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Marlene Hessler
SFC Jim Ruether - Term limits would go a long way. Public offices should be for short periods of 'service' rather than lifetime careers. BTW Your smile would carry you a long way.
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