Posted on Jun 27, 2015
Do you think Officers and NCO's should be allowed to date or get married as long as they are not in the same Chain of Command?
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Different jobs, different units, who cares. That's like saying the VP of marketing and the Mail room supervisor of a large corporation get married and it will cause problems. You simply have to have the skill set and resume to move up. Our resume is our ERB and our skill set is our Rank in which we earn. So who does it really effect? Nobody.
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I believe as long as they are not in the same chain of command officers and enlisted should be able to date. It might even help us get to know "the other side" better.
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If they can keep their personal life from their work separate then it should be okay. We already have NCOs marrying each other and I don't see any conflicts going on since they keep reminding each "when im at work, im not your hubby."
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In my opinion, it shouldn't matter if they are not in the same chain of command. No one should be able to dictate who one can and cannot date or marry. Love is love.
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CW4 (Join to see) I don't think about it, as AR 600-20 says no way... So that is law of the land. I was in the Army when this latest version was floated, and it seemed over the top. That said, I don't see the issue, if they are not in the same organization.
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IMO, I think that the Fraternization Policy should be updated alongside the updates of DADT, Transgender, and any other 'lifestyle' conflictions that are currently being looked at. The history of Fraternization evolved from a caste system that was later updated to the policy of keeping good order and discipline. The reason why there is a similarity to why Fraternization should be reviewed along side DADT and other lifestyle policies is the same reason why there was a separation of genders, and why same sex sexual interests had policies against them, to the core they all have to do with good order and behavior. I know its not as simple to combine these areas, however to make my point quick, I will use just that standard of 'keeping good order and discipline'. The military is currently undergoing an extreme update when it comes to lifestyles and military traditions be it women in ranger school, DADT repealed, Same-sex benefits, and now the question if transgender will be accepted. All of these in a sense can cause a disruption to a good order and result into negative discipline. However we are the U.S Military, and when we are face with a brick in the wall, we find a policy to go around that brick and accomplish the mission! The Same Sex laws were passed due to Marriage equality, why should there be a prejudice of rank, when we have long moved passed race, and now gender? Some say because of unfavorable preference between the Chain of Command. To offer an advisement to that notion, if we are able to over come same sex sexual interests in same sex dormitories for training, and deployed locations, that would easily effect the good order and discipline, then why cant we come together to put the correct verbiage on an up to date policy on unprofessional relationships. How about, it is ill-advised for relationships within the members Chain of Command, however the Members Unit will handle at the lowest level on disciplinary actions if misconduct arises. Or something similar within rank, mil-to-mil marriages. As for personnel with joint spouse for an 'O' and 'E' marriage, maintain the highest ranking individual drives the assignment. There are currently 'O' and 'E' marriages in the military due to the grandfather policy, AFPC still makes it work with assignments to those individuals. Also speaking on the fact there is already mixed rank marriages, you do not see that causing a disruption to the good order and discipline of the military. Perseverance and being adaptable is what we need to be our cornerstone with all of these lifestyle changes.
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I have never seen the problem as long as both parties are mature enough to separate home life from work. There are people dating/ married in the same shop among enlisted and it's basically the same principle. i know the difference- I'm just saying.
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I have seen it once. It isn't an issue if they aren't in the same COC and if they are geographically separated, it would be even better.
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The fact that officers and enlisted soldiers are not allowed to marry while both are on active duty is utterly ridiculous. What is the difference if they are allowed to enlist together or separately as a couple or being married while on active duty? The bottom line is this, the relationship between an officer and an enlisted soldier still exist. The military needs to butt out of people's relationship. I remember being a young SGT in March 2000 when couples were rushing to get married to meet the military's suspense.
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Not in the Army it isn't. It happens but it's against current regulations for fraternization.
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I dont see a problem with it. I have known several such couple. As long as its outside the chain and they are professional in dealing with it. especially reserve components where most of their lives is spend outside the military.
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I believe they should be able to date or marry...big military should not be allowed to tell you who you can and cannot be allowed to date/marry as long as it's professional when at work.
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Why not, everything else has changed. I think we should be able to grow facial hair and have ponytails if we want also. Sad what the military has become.
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As long as they can avoid the appearance of an unprofessional relationship... IMO, it should be treated no differently than any other relationship involving different ranks.
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I don't think it should matter as long as they're not in the same battalion
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