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First, let's understand that it is very difficult to "hack" the election itself. The inputs to the process are paper ballots or voting machine data. The paper ballots themselves are probably hack proof. The voting machines could be programmed to inaccurately record the voter's input. Most voting machines are tested in a bi-partisan environment before being put into service. The counting process is also difficult to break into. The machines that read the paper ballots are not on the internet and most aren't on a network at all. They might be reprogrammed to ignore all votes for one candidate or the other, but this should be discovered in testing. The machines that record and tabulate the data from voting machines are similar to those that count paper ballots. In either case, an extremely skewed result would normally be questioned by a partisan pole watcher. It's unlikely that the Russians were able to recruit enough people to change the votes in any state through voter fraud. In states where no voter ID is required, a determined agent could vote in the place of a dead person several times. Getting enough people to carry off this fraud to change the results in a state is unlikely.
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I think it was an inside Job and the Russians are taking the heat ...
Even Julian Assange sad the Russians were not the Problem...
The Biggest problem i see it that Both the CIA and The FBI big-wigs making the allegations are all Clinton approved BHO appointees who want to Keep their Jobs under a HRC White House and continue Business as Usual...
The Truth of the mater Is If HRC and the Main Stream Media and DNC had Supported Bernie Sanders and Not sold Him out... He would Be the Damn President Elect... because he Had More popular and Voter Support than HRC ... just Not the Funding... and far Less Career Criminal Political Support
Everyone in DC is Running Scared Now that the Trumpster is coming in with Non Political Hacks and Folks from outside the Beltway Professionals...
They cant handle the fact a New Sheriff is coming to Town and Not Part of the Career Criminal Political Establishment
Even Julian Assange sad the Russians were not the Problem...
The Biggest problem i see it that Both the CIA and The FBI big-wigs making the allegations are all Clinton approved BHO appointees who want to Keep their Jobs under a HRC White House and continue Business as Usual...
The Truth of the mater Is If HRC and the Main Stream Media and DNC had Supported Bernie Sanders and Not sold Him out... He would Be the Damn President Elect... because he Had More popular and Voter Support than HRC ... just Not the Funding... and far Less Career Criminal Political Support
Everyone in DC is Running Scared Now that the Trumpster is coming in with Non Political Hacks and Folks from outside the Beltway Professionals...
They cant handle the fact a New Sheriff is coming to Town and Not Part of the Career Criminal Political Establishment
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Russia, or someone hacked and exposed e-mails. The content of those e-mails told us the story of what was going on in the democratic party. What was going on is what influenced the election.. If someone knew this information and did not share it would it be fair to say they influenced the election?
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I don't care what the media has to say. I want to see logs, IP addresses. Something as an SSH connection request from a Russian IP address can be considered a "potential hack", even though it's minute.... But the media will spin it up as a "hack". We had something VERY similar here at Amazon that got a load of publicity, and things taken out of proportion. IF someone in fact did, then there is a flaw in our democratic (or representative republic) process. Something we all should care about.
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SSG Robert Webster
SPC(P) (Join to see) you do have a point. The flaw was that the DNC AND HRC did not secure their systems as they should have, that is number one. Secondly, HRC is even more guilty since she did not even follow the basic precepts of security dealing with her position as Secretary of State, in direct violation of law and regulation. And we should care about it and insure that in HRCs case that she be adjudicated and punished at least as much as other of similar or slightly lower rank/positions have.
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The "election" itself? Nope.
The DNC? Yep.
Did it really help Trump win? I doubt the hack changed ANYONE'S mind, honestly. The Right was committed against Clinton, and the info gained in the hack only confirmed many reasons why they hated her; they were concerned with the "what" of the hack, less so the "who". Conversely, the Left were more concerned with the "who", and chose to largely ignore the "what"; at least insofar as Clinton was concerned. But--statistically significantly speaking--nobody's opinion changed due to the hack.
Should it matter? Absolutely. Not because the results of this election would be different; it really wouldn't. Sorry Lefties, I get why you don't want to hear it, but Moscow--a bad actor to be sure--simply isn't a good scapegoat for why your candidate lost. Everyone needs to understand this is a bad precedent and a blueprint for future foreign bad actors to monkey with how we elect our leaders as best as they can; maybe next time, someone will actually get deep into the election system itself and do more damage than just airing dirty laundry. Russia had means, motive and opportunity. Righties, don't get comfortable with what happened or bury you head in the sand and choose to pretend the Ruskies didn't hack the peripheries of this election, because next time it could happen to YOUR favored candidate.
SIDEBAR: Dammit. Because I do NOT believe the actual election itself (the voting mechanisms) were hacked or that the electorate was really affected by what Russia did manage to hack, I intended to vote NO, but I hit YES by accident. My bad.
The DNC? Yep.
Did it really help Trump win? I doubt the hack changed ANYONE'S mind, honestly. The Right was committed against Clinton, and the info gained in the hack only confirmed many reasons why they hated her; they were concerned with the "what" of the hack, less so the "who". Conversely, the Left were more concerned with the "who", and chose to largely ignore the "what"; at least insofar as Clinton was concerned. But--statistically significantly speaking--nobody's opinion changed due to the hack.
Should it matter? Absolutely. Not because the results of this election would be different; it really wouldn't. Sorry Lefties, I get why you don't want to hear it, but Moscow--a bad actor to be sure--simply isn't a good scapegoat for why your candidate lost. Everyone needs to understand this is a bad precedent and a blueprint for future foreign bad actors to monkey with how we elect our leaders as best as they can; maybe next time, someone will actually get deep into the election system itself and do more damage than just airing dirty laundry. Russia had means, motive and opportunity. Righties, don't get comfortable with what happened or bury you head in the sand and choose to pretend the Ruskies didn't hack the peripheries of this election, because next time it could happen to YOUR favored candidate.
SIDEBAR: Dammit. Because I do NOT believe the actual election itself (the voting mechanisms) were hacked or that the electorate was really affected by what Russia did manage to hack, I intended to vote NO, but I hit YES by accident. My bad.
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More important do you think it matters and how do you think it changed the outcome?
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SGT Damaso V Santana
Maj Marty Hogan - I have thought about this, too often to be coincidences, not believable. What concerns me is that a site like RP could be that infiltrated.
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SSG Robert Webster
SGT Damaso V Santana - RP, how about the thought processes of our fellow American Citizens?
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Sp4 Byron Skinner…A question my Liberal friends have wrapped their teeth around. My own opinion is there is not enough hard evidence to support either side. The scrubbed release sent to a "selected few members of Congress" last Friday is oohing but circumstantial evidence and here-say. Looking at the voting pattern two things jump out. First in state such as Oklahoma, Kansas, Nebraska, South Dakota, North Dakota, Wyoming, Montana and Idaho where Trump was expected to win his margins were of victory were to low, Trump should have had higher margins of victory. Secondly only two states show irregularities that count indicate outside tampering Florida and Pennsylvania. In Florida either the African American and Latino vote got smaller then 2012 or some votes disappeared, In Pennsylvania the NW part of the State, traditionally Republican had growth spirt the past four years or the Eastern part, usually strong DEmocratic and more voters lost a lot of voters in 2016.
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US Elections were not hacked. Electons occure on Election Day & Early Voting. Russia did not affect changes to actual votes.
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Even if they did get into her email accounts like I'm sure they did when she was Sec. State they didn't hack the poles. Some of the emails were probably released by her camp by disgruntled pollsters.
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Given all the promises of a transparency in government and the fact that none of the content of the released emails was actually contested as to its veracity, did the release of these emails actually provide a great service to the electorate; a peek at what the politicians and their operatives actually were scheming and what was actually going on instead of only a Public Relations "snow job"?
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