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Do you think the Air Force is handing out E-3 too easily?

Okay to start off I will admit this is kind of a "butt hurt" post but I'm curious of other opinions.

When I joined CAP at the age of 12 I learned if I made it to C/2d Lt I could automatically enlist in the USAF as an E-3. I thought this was really cool and it pushed me to get there. When I finally did enlist however, I was very disappointed that all my extra effort was really pointless. Half of not more than half the airmen I graduated BMT with graduated as A1C's and most of them had really done nothing to earn it except choose a job that offered it as an incentive. I spent 9 years as a CAP cadet and was one of the top 0.05% having earned my Spaatz award and making it to Cadet Colonel. I know the USAF is a whole different ball game from being a cadet but it was frustrating having put so much effort in for a long time and watching people who had only decided to enlist a couple weeks prior also getting the same promotion.

Do you think the Air Force is right in offering E-3 to just about anyone these days or should they scale back? What about the Army's system with a non-leadership E-4. I know people who went through Army Basic as E-4 Specialists. Would the Air Force benefit having a similar program?

Just as an example of how easy E-3 is these days, I personally had 4 things that could have gotten me E-3: College credits, ROTC experience, Civil Air Patrol and the job I chose automatically gave you E-3.
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Like you mentioned a post below, SSgt (Join to see), the Reserve can offer it faster. I was an E-3 out of BMT due to college credits (I went in at 30 and with a Master's), and my orders stipulated that I got E-4 upon completion of tech school and commander approval. I got it five days after returning to my duty station. That's where the speed stopped for me. I was an SrA on 9/11 and left for OTS on 8/14 as a SrA. I wasn't even eligible to put in for ALS until 8/14.

I wouldn't dwell on it too much. Who cares how everyone got there, now distinguish yourself from them with your leadership abilities and start working on your bullets so you can get Airman of the Quarter/Group/Wing or put in for AMS (pending a degree, if you don't have that yet). You'll get your rewards for all of that hard work.
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MSgt Hal Weeden, MBA, the thought entered my mind, but with a lot of hesitancy based on my experience. I'd have to PM you about it.
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Capt Christian D. Orr
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Erin, I can sorta relate; I enlisted with my B.A. already in hand (though I didn't have a Master's like you did) and thus came in as an E-3.....and was still an E-3 when I got selected for OTS, which happened even before I was eligible for BTZ!

Like you, I tried to to have a sense of entitlement in spite of enlisting with my Bachelor's; starting off as an "E" definitely taught me some humility!
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I wouldn't say "entitlement," per say, Capt Christian D. Orr, but I whole-heartedly agree with the humility! It was a great experience.
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Capt Christian D. Orr
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Capt (Join to see) - Amen! Even those measly 2 years of enlisted service gave me so much more credibility with my enlisted troops compared to the non-prior LTs I served with. :-)
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MSgt Hal Weeden, MBA
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If it's of any consolation, SSgt (Join to see), it doesn't sound like the Air Force has changed the early A1C criteria in over 30 years. In 1983, you could go in as an A1C if you had at least 60 semester hours of college (but you couldn't wear the insignia until after graduation), or you could get A1C upon graduation from tech school if you enlisted for six years active service (back then initial enlistments were six years, not eight years as they are now). I will take MSgt William Lucas' word that enlisting in certain specialties was a third route to early A1C back in our day. I do remember someone asking if anyone in our flight had CAP experience, but none did, so I don't know what they would have gained. We did have one person who had enough ROTC experience to be considered "proficiency advanced." He only had to complete the first half of basic training, and I suspect he was an E-3.

I was part way through my junior year of college when I enlisted, so my date of rank was the day I reported to Lackland. The early rank put me one year ahead of my peers. A much lower percentage of enlistees had college experience back then. I was fortunate enough to make BTZ, so I put on SrA at 22 months. You asked about the Army's non-leadership E-4 position. In my day, you wore SrA for 12 months, then, if you had completed the two week NCO Preparatory Course, you were promoted to the now-defunct E-4 Sergeant rank, commonly known as "buck sergeant." There was no financial increase, and it cost money to purchase and sew on the new insignia, but everyone was glad to spend that money to become an NCO and drop the "Airman" title. At that point we could transition from membership in the Airman's Club to the NCO Club. For those of us who were permanent party at training bases, it was a big deal to get away from the pipeline students.

I later transitioned to the Air National Guard. You should make E-5 much quicker in the Guard than you would AD. If you are a traditional guardsman, the upper ranks may come quicker, too. I was fortunate enough to be an AGR. I wouldn't trade that for anything, but SNCO ranks are tough to attain, and are tied completely to your AFSC and the slots assigned to your base. There was only one E-8 position in my AFSC at my base, and one person was in that slot for 15 years. They eliminated the only E-9 position in 1992, so upward mobility was impossible without moving to the National Guard Bureau.

The bottom line SSgt (Join to see), is don't let the "butt hurt" drag you down. You will still be ahead of some of your peers when you put on SrA. Be sure you get all of your PME out of the way at the earliest possible opportunity. Always have all of your boxes checked for promotion. Especially in the Guard, you just never know when one of your competitors won't have one of the prerequisites completed when an opening presents itself. Even at a good unit like Forbes. Trust me on this.
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SMSgt Steve Neal
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Yeah, I bypassed basic ('82) after the TI asked me several times about my seven years ROTC experience. Still could not sew on E-3 until I graduated Tech School...
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SSgt Frank Lanford
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Hello Gentlemen, I have found your comments very interesting, I entered BMT in July of 1982, as a Law Enforcement Specialist, Security Police, I had four years in AF Jr ROTC, in High School and was a Cadet Lt. Colonel and Cadet Unit Commander, before I graduated High School, and therefore I was considered a "By Pass", which meant I only did half of BMT, and I did NOT have to get my head shaved (although I did, as my TI "suggested" it ;-), and also I put on A1C after leaving the BMTS, and wore it while on "casual status" for two weeks, before going into the SP Academy, ALSO I was not aware that the enlistments are 8 years now, as my first enlistment was six years. I got off active duty after six, but stayed in reserve status at Lowry AFB, Denver (closed in 1994), for another six, and we had the same issue with too many reservists and NO slots for promotion. I was offered Tech Sgt to transfer to the Reserve unit at the AF Academy, which I declined, because I barely had time to make it across town to do my reserve duty, which was only 14 miles away, much less 65 to 70 miles away to Colorado Springs. I was also offered a step promotion to MSGT to go to a Missile Base (F.E. Warren) over 100 miles away from home, which I absolutely declined :-) so I stayed a Staff Sgt. until I got out after 12 total years. IF I had it to do over I would have stayed on active duty, but it's OK because I got my law degrees and now practice Administrative Law and I am a State Hearing Officer :-)
GO AIR FORCE !!!!
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Capt Christian D. Orr
Capt Christian D. Orr
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SSgt Frank Lanford - Wow, you got a reduced BMT sentence, er, training period?!?! You lucky dog!
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Capt Christian D. Orr
Capt Christian D. Orr
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SMSgt Steve Neal - Ditto for you!
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TSgt Joshua Copeland
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Well, it could be a few things, CAP, Eagle Scout, college, or signing a 6 year enlistment. Each one gives the Air Force something they want in exchange for something the enlistee wants.
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