Posted on Apr 3, 2017
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It seems that everyone has something that signifies them as special or different from others such as the color beret, Stetson, buttons. How did this all start and why? Is it good to have or does it divide us between us and them....legs vs. Airborne?
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Lt Col Jim Coe
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Yes, I've seen this before. As a Captain and copilot, we were expected to work the back of the C-130 with an instructor loadmaster during each type of airdrop as part of our training to be an Aircraft Commander. My personnel drop was over Sicily DZ at Bragg. Everything went as planned and both sticks of troops departed the aircraft without incident. I helped retrieve the static lines and closed one of the doors. I guess I'm stall a leg. I'm proud that my number of takeoffs equals my number of landings.

The Air Force borrowed a lot of its uniform culture from the Army. It was probably 1950 before the Air Force personnel all got into blue uniforms. They started off fairly plain. No unit patches on the shoulder. Only two types of US on collar (officer or enlisted). Service stripes on sleeves weren't used. Officers had a single braid on the cuff. Ribbons on left side only. For a long time, the big difference in AF service uniforms was simply whether or not you wore wings. Pilots, Navigators, Bombardiers, Flight Engineers, Loadmasters, Flight Surgeons and Nurses, and some other enlisted aircrew wore wings. Parachutists and EOD had a qualification badge. Everybody else didn't have anything above the ribbons. Sometime in the 1990s, I think, every specialty got their own badge.

The Air Force hasn't gotten as far as the Service we came from (Army), but I think they are on the way.
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Sgt Wayne Ariss
Sgt Wayne Ariss
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When I was active duty in the early 1980's, we all had specialty badges for our specific AFSC above the branch tape over the left breast pocket of our utilities. You also saw a lot of Missileman Badges, etc., on guys who had cross-trained (I was a Civil Engineer). But on Combo 1's, you never saw anything but ribbons above the left pocket and wings if the individual had flight status. Today, I don't know....those "Modified McPeak" uniforms being worn now are hideous, IMHO. I prefer the look of the classic Blue Shade 1084 and 1549 Service Dress Uniforms, but that's me. :) I think the Civil War-style shoulder strap officer's insignia currently being used on Army dress uniforms looks pretty silly, too, but those decisions are not up to me.
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Lt Col Jim Coe
Lt Col Jim Coe
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Sgt Wayne Ariss - I missed the implementation date of the AFSC-specific qualification badges. I retired before the "McPeak" blues. I agree with your assessment of the current AF Uniform. I preferred the 4-button service blouse with four pockets. The Army rank does have historical significance; not something the AF should emulate.
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CH (LTC) Robert Leroe
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Every individual in the military needs something unique to set them apart. In my case, I was one of very few Chaplains to take the Public Affairs Officer Course (DINFOS), which enormously helped my ministry. Have something others don't have on your ORB.
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SMSgt Lawrence McCarter
SMSgt Lawrence McCarter
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We had a Chaplain, Major at Whitman AFB, MO in 1966-67, 68 time area that had been a Navy Pilot so had Navy Pilot Wings above His service ribbons as well as His Chaplains cross of course.
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LTC Stephen C.
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LTC (Join to see), I don't know how important it is to have something shiny to be different, but I've always been glad that I was only a dirty leg for the first eight months of my time in the service!

LTC John Mohor, considering our recent conversation about being airborne, I thought you might enjoy this little dialogue I had with a former Marine a few years back. Be sure your read his comments also. They're pretty lame and I thought the entire back and forth was pretty funny! You'll get a kick out of this!
I think he blocked me!
SGT Robert Pryor, read the back and forth all the way down. Pretty funny!
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LTC John Mohor
LTC John Mohor
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Thanks I always liked a fun loving Leg vs. Airborne chat!
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LTC Stephen C.
LTC Stephen C.
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LTC John Mohor, it was really funny, I thought, because he more or less kept digging his own grave!
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SGT Robert Pryor
SGT Robert Pryor
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LTC Stephen C. - Obviously GySgt Bill Smith misses the big picture. It's so much more than Jump School or the wings. PO3 Donald Murphy gets it with his comparison to surface ships verses subs. It's about esprit de corp for one. Healthy competition done with the right amount of respect makes us all better. Being Airborne simply makes a statement that someone proved themselves at that task. It also shows a level of physical fitness that MAY be missing in others. I probably haven't made myself clear enough to my Marine friends but I've always admired the fact that they earned their Globe and Anchor. And as for PO3 Murphy being a submariner, that job scared me to death. I checked out a sub once at an open house in San Diego. It scred me just walking around in there -- and that boat was tied up to a dock. I have to admit, when I see any service member wearing their awards and decorations, I read their "resume" starting at the top of their rack, only then to I move on to qualifications, unit insignias and such. As for the Sakowski's statement about not everyone had an opportunity to go Airborne, I had to laugh. Obviously it's true, but hell, they took me so I thought they'd take anybody. By the way, I know for a fact that in my Jump School class we had Sailors and Marines. There may have even been USAF, but I didn't know them. I did have fun socializing at Jump School with my Navy and Marine friends. My Marine buddies even made a Marine Corps flag out of a bed sheet and showed it to me in advance, knowing I would never rat them out. That night they climbed to the top of the 250' tower to hang it. The next morning, when the cadre asked who did it, they proudly and immediately stepped forward, took the butt chewing and climbed back up to get it down. Unfortunately, it appears that your "buddy" in this thread doesn't have that kind of spirit de corps and might not hold my Marine buddies in the high regard I do. Yes, you can call their behavior frat boy stuff -- assuming you don't get the big picture. I see it as what separates a lot of legs from paratroopers -- regardles of branch of service or unit. We fight hard, but also play hard.
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LTC Stephen C.
LTC Stephen C.
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Nicely done, SGT Robert Pryor!
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SSG Robert Perrotto
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Absolutely - EIB, CIB, Air Assault wings, Airborne wings, Ranger Tab, these things separate you from your peers, and are earned by you, these are the few instances where individual achievement is allowed to be openly displayed. as such they are important and should be encouraged. This is not high school, where everyone is the same, where no child is left behind and everyone is a winner.
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Sgt Gabriel Benavides
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I always hated wearing ribons and devices. It was always about your stack. I got a lot of flack frome my Staff NCO's in my artillery units because I had the very coveted Marine/Navy airborne wings.
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Jerry Rivas
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I think everyone who is ever stationed at Fort Polk and doesnt get the clap, deserves an award.
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Sgt John Koliha
Sgt John Koliha
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Oh, Lizard shit! THAT is funny.
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MSgt George Cater
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Isn't that covered during the pickup and welcome in-briefing in Army basic?

(Hey, at least I capitalized Army.)
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SGT David A. 'Cowboy' Groth
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Had to started before the Civil War to denote what you were in, whether an Artillery Man, Cavalry , or Infantry, each group wanted to stand out from the others.
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CWO2 Shelby DuBois
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I was at El Toro back in the middle ages when some fool at HQMC uniform board proposed berets for Marines, so we'd be more' recognizable when serving along side 'U.N.' troops. That went over like a brick. The poor slobs who had to test wear them were ridiculed with , 'Oh, sorry SOLDIER, didn't see you standing there"... or ..."Hey, do you have any Thin Mints left?". Needless to say, it was not, and hopefully never, adopted.
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SGT Randall Smith
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There should be something to show " almost airborne" . I could not jump off the tower. But I was almost airborne.
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SP5 Ronald R Glaeseman
SP5 Ronald R Glaeseman
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Most of us wouldn't jump off it either.
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