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Just like gun owner background checks. Past mental illness of a history of abusing drugs and/or alcohol?
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no, the written and driving exams should suffice, along with proof of legal residency of course. if i were to add anything i would add drivers education.
Limiting peoples ability to drive in a country without decent public transportation would have a bad effect on everyone.
Limiting peoples ability to drive in a country without decent public transportation would have a bad effect on everyone.
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NO, but qualified as to issuing Licenses to Repeat offenders of DUI/DWI. In so many states the judges do not enforce the law when it comes to multiple offenders of people who drive when legally drunk. I have seen drunks kill people and get away with a slap on the wrist. There has to be a point where we all say ENOUGH! Only one Judge who did so much of this has ever been voted out of office in this area. More need to understand and enforce the law.
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Cpl Brett Wagner
if the drunks were using guns instead of automobiles you would see everyone screaming.
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CMDCM Gene Treants
Chief Garcia, When I lived In Hawaii I used my NC DL and my Military ID. Passport was optional, but I did have to provide proof of residency because so many people (tourists) wanted to get a Hawaii License as a souvenir. The even let me keep my NC License which was going to expire in a couple of months.
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SPC David Willis
Cpl Brett Wagner - So just anyone can buy a gun, paroled felons, criminally insane etc in your dream world???
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Cpl Brett Wagner
SPC David Willis - What are you talking about? Where did I ever say such a thing? But please tell us all about your dream world free from crime and bad guys. Does it resemble Nazi Germany or communist Russia/China? See I can jump to conclusions and make false allegations too.
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SPC David Willis
Cpl Brett Wagner - You said "background checks are even worse for Constitutional rights" how do you expect to keep guns out of criminals hands without background checks? Honor system? I didn't make a stretch, you just weren't clear what you meant.
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Another Straw Man Argument which indicates you don't want to do anything. I have no idea how many thousands of children have to die so that you won't be afraid
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Cpl Brett Wagner
Good job move the target, change the subject and attack. I forgot that’s how we solved the drug problem just outlawed it right?
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Since many people did not get the point of my question I will come right out and say it or try to... the point is that anything can be used as a weapon to kill. Anything from a pencil to an automobile. What freedoms and liberties are you willing to give up in order for a false sense of security?
For those of you who are so made at inanimite items like SPC David Willis out lawing guns, knives, bats, whips, chains etc. There are still shootings in Franc and the UK and you cannot own a pea shooter in those countries. If you feel safer in a place like France or UK then why not move there?
For those of you who are so made at inanimite items like SPC David Willis out lawing guns, knives, bats, whips, chains etc. There are still shootings in Franc and the UK and you cannot own a pea shooter in those countries. If you feel safer in a place like France or UK then why not move there?
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SPC David Willis
Awww thanks for the call out bud! Don't be mad at me because you cant formulate your ideas and decide to say things like "background checks are worse for constitutional rights" indicating you don't like background checks which opens the door for criminals to buy guns. Its super cute you think a pencil is just as capable to kill as a rifle. Did you deploy? When you deployed were you issued a Ticonderoga number 2 pencil, were you issued a bat or whips or were you issued an m4/16?
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Cpl Brett Wagner
If you’re looking for a pissing contest I your man soldier boy. You wanna talk like a punk and blame others? I can only hope you’re a cook and not trusted with any weapons. But yeah I think I could rid the world of the likes of you with a #2.
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SPC David Willis
Aw you got so mad at a reasonable question asked to show some things are better at killing than others. I thought marines were supposed to have thick skin but please keep threatening me in an open forum...
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Cpl Brett Wagner
Nope not mad just frustrated with someone who can’t read deeper meanings and principles. Keep trying you’ll get there.
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Please stop comparing gun ownership to car ownership. I would rather not have to have my guns registered and carry liability insurance. Also there is a test in order to drive a car, not true to own a gun.
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SPC David Willis
What's scary is people think its a right to own a gun but a privilege to move your own body to a different location using the means of your choice...
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I don't know if its a good idea or not, but I do know this: The day before Thanksgiving in 2000, my brother-in-law killed my wife's sister by attempting to commit murder-suicide by driving their small car into the path of an oncoming SUV on an undivided highway. He failed at the "killing himself" part. Was wildly successful at the "murder" part.
He was in his mid/late 20s when this occurred, and had been diagnosed with mental illness as a teenager. It was evident in the months prior, due to he peculiar paranoid behaviors he demonstrated he was no longer well, but he didn't say or do anything that would cause him to be involuntarily held by civilian authorities.
I note "civilian authorities", because a few months before he killed his wife, the Army held him over his 2 week Reserve AT under medical care, because, well, they recognized he was nuts. They were the only ones who could or would hold him, but after the AT, he was turned loose.
It's widely accepted he was mentally ill at the time he did this, but that doesn't mean he didn't know what he was doing. He served 2 years in prison for a reduced manslaughter charge and grievous bodily harm to the other driver. No one will ever know if he would have done that without being mentally ill, but it seems rather doubtful.
He was in his mid/late 20s when this occurred, and had been diagnosed with mental illness as a teenager. It was evident in the months prior, due to he peculiar paranoid behaviors he demonstrated he was no longer well, but he didn't say or do anything that would cause him to be involuntarily held by civilian authorities.
I note "civilian authorities", because a few months before he killed his wife, the Army held him over his 2 week Reserve AT under medical care, because, well, they recognized he was nuts. They were the only ones who could or would hold him, but after the AT, he was turned loose.
It's widely accepted he was mentally ill at the time he did this, but that doesn't mean he didn't know what he was doing. He served 2 years in prison for a reduced manslaughter charge and grievous bodily harm to the other driver. No one will ever know if he would have done that without being mentally ill, but it seems rather doubtful.
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Cpl Brett Wagner
SGT Dave Tracy - I am so sorry to hear about your loss and what a terrible tragedy that must have been/be. I truly pray your family can get through the pain you must be experiencing.
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SGT Dave Tracy
Cpl Brett Wagner - I appreciate. Thanks.
Its been a long time since, and time does heal wounds. Mostly. But every once in a while my wife will think about her sister and the last time she saw her on the night before she died. Sometimes she carries the load of being the big sister who didn't protect her younger sister, and beats herself up for not just grabbing up her and her then 3 year old daughter and leaving with them. But she could not know how what was to happen the next morning. No one could.
To add insult onto injury, my wife was geographically closest to where her sister died. My wife and I, her sister and her sister's husband lived about 75 miles from the hometown where those three came from and their families still lived. My sister-in-law's apartment was about 1 block from my wife's work, and the scene of the crash was about 3 miles down the road from her work. She was at work that morning, and since I worked nights, I was home asleep.
My mother-in-law tried to call me so I could get my wife, but I kept the ringer off. Even the cops called. Eventually, my mother-in-law called my wife's work to have them break the news. Her manager was hesitant to drop such a bomb, so they too tried to call me in hopes I would tell her myself and go get her. After about an hour when no one could reach me, her manager decided to tell my wife.
My wife's entire family got the word, as did my brother-in-law's family. Even their daughter's daycare lady knew! My wife was the 2nd to the last to know. I heard about it when she came home in an incoherent, inconsolable state, and then only after my wife was about to pull herself together long enough to get the words out. To this day, she is not over being the closest physically, but essentially the last to know.
Its been a long time since, and time does heal wounds. Mostly. But every once in a while my wife will think about her sister and the last time she saw her on the night before she died. Sometimes she carries the load of being the big sister who didn't protect her younger sister, and beats herself up for not just grabbing up her and her then 3 year old daughter and leaving with them. But she could not know how what was to happen the next morning. No one could.
To add insult onto injury, my wife was geographically closest to where her sister died. My wife and I, her sister and her sister's husband lived about 75 miles from the hometown where those three came from and their families still lived. My sister-in-law's apartment was about 1 block from my wife's work, and the scene of the crash was about 3 miles down the road from her work. She was at work that morning, and since I worked nights, I was home asleep.
My mother-in-law tried to call me so I could get my wife, but I kept the ringer off. Even the cops called. Eventually, my mother-in-law called my wife's work to have them break the news. Her manager was hesitant to drop such a bomb, so they too tried to call me in hopes I would tell her myself and go get her. After about an hour when no one could reach me, her manager decided to tell my wife.
My wife's entire family got the word, as did my brother-in-law's family. Even their daughter's daycare lady knew! My wife was the 2nd to the last to know. I heard about it when she came home in an incoherent, inconsolable state, and then only after my wife was about to pull herself together long enough to get the words out. To this day, she is not over being the closest physically, but essentially the last to know.
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California will never go for this....They want to hand out Licenses to Persons inside the United States Illegally
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YES, and an IQ test for people allowed to speak in a public forum. #Sarcasm
Seriously though, consider for a moment the effect a criminal record has on someone. It makes it very difficult for them to find legal employment, which pushes them toward either crime, or the welfare system, and they get trapped in a vicious cycle of social dependency.
I know a lot of people that USED to have drug/alcohol problems... I'd hate to see them without a way to get to work.
Talking about gun owner background checks... I'd like to see a "Do not own" list... do something to get on the list and you can't own one legally. Not on the list? Legal to own a 105mm if you so desire.
Seriously though, consider for a moment the effect a criminal record has on someone. It makes it very difficult for them to find legal employment, which pushes them toward either crime, or the welfare system, and they get trapped in a vicious cycle of social dependency.
I know a lot of people that USED to have drug/alcohol problems... I'd hate to see them without a way to get to work.
Talking about gun owner background checks... I'd like to see a "Do not own" list... do something to get on the list and you can't own one legally. Not on the list? Legal to own a 105mm if you so desire.
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Your second and third paragraphs are on target. For example, here is the list of jobs from which convicts are excluded.. and I only picked some starting with the first four letters:
Sign Language Interpreter
Acupuncturist
Animal Health Tech
Apprentice Blacksmith
Apprentice Jockey
Athletic Trainer
Barber, Cosmetology, Esthetics, Hair Braiding, and Nail
Blacksmith
Body Artist (Tattoos)
Buyer or broker of slaughtered livestock
Cigarette Distributor
Cosmetologist, esthetician, nail technician, hair braider, or barber; or cosmetology, esthetics, nail technology, hair braiding, or barber teacher
Dance Hall Operator
Deaf Interpreter
Dietitian and nutritionist
Sign Language Interpreter
Acupuncturist
Animal Health Tech
Apprentice Blacksmith
Apprentice Jockey
Athletic Trainer
Barber, Cosmetology, Esthetics, Hair Braiding, and Nail
Blacksmith
Body Artist (Tattoos)
Buyer or broker of slaughtered livestock
Cigarette Distributor
Cosmetologist, esthetician, nail technician, hair braider, or barber; or cosmetology, esthetics, nail technology, hair braiding, or barber teacher
Dance Hall Operator
Deaf Interpreter
Dietitian and nutritionist
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SPC David Hannaman
CW4 (Join to see) So someone with a prior conviction can't be a Blacksmith or a Jockey?! Seems like pumping iron for a few years in prison might qualify them for Athletic Trainer... Tattoo artist?
What exactly would we expect them to do?!
What exactly would we expect them to do?!
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