Posted on Jul 15, 2014
CW5 Sam R. Baker
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Original article 30 june
Warrant officer boo boo
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The posting about the Army adopting or looking at sleeves on the ACU being rolled up because some folks think that it is hot, a garrison thing or whatever, really made me red in the face and embarrassed to be a warrant officer. I pose to you the survey just so we can keep track, but the issue is that sometimes folks go out of their way to not only embarrass themselves, but everyone associated with the rank in which they wear, their branch or even service.

The 30 June article in the ARMY TIMES was highlighted by a photo of a aviator claimed to be a CW3 in the wording, with a CW2 photo of a aviation army combat uniform, otherwise known as the A2CU. His sleeves were rolled up and he was obviously wearing a Stetson, which in turn eluded to the fact he was Cavalry.

I am not going to dispute the findings of the ARMY TIMES since that article that the officer in question has a very questionable career, integrity and lack of Army Values. What really gets under my skin is his lack of regard for his brothers and sisters first of all in the warrant officer corps, then the aviation branch, followed by the Calvary and finally the Army as a whole.

I must quote his phone interview to the ARMY TIMES with regard to his everyday wearing of the uniform in violation of 670-1, "I basically give them 'the look' - dare them to say something". I was appalled and hit the floor almost passed out that a fellow warrant officer would publicly donate a photo and such words to represent the whole population. The harm is done. The amount of readers and viewers of this obviously will not see the investigation into his service and past to know that this guy is not credible.

So I am embarrassed for my rank (warrant officers) in the branch and the Army. I have to defend our rank because a knucklehead spoke out and no one will look past his comment on 30 June. It already is hard as aviators get to un-blouse their boots when flying and often forget to tuck them back in afterwards. Often aviators push limits on haircuts, sideburns and mustaches, but this was a bit over the top.

Several thing spoke to me in the article. The ARMY TIMES did not research the officer with much detail. The officer whether Guard, Reserve or Active duty is wrong. Rolling up sleeves when not authorized and walking around with an attitude against officers and Soldiers alike is criminal. Surely if an officer told him to roll up his sleeves and he gave that 'look', that he would be charged with UCMJ.

This article and policy, I really don't care about, the Army did me a favor having me wear my sleeves down. I no longer have skin cancer on my forearms! Trust me when I say it stinks having pieces of you cut out for it. If the Army gave the option today, I would only roll them up to be uniformly in a formation with the rest of the Soldiers.

So this gentleman, CW2 or CW3 Calhoun has embarrassed and tarnished the idea of a warrant officer to me. Probably to a lot of others, or he validated a prejudice already of how warrant officers can or may be perceived. He went further wearing the CAV Stetson, saying he was in USASOC, mentioning SOF and being an aviator. None of these grant him immunity from proper wear of the uniform. I would hope he was proud of his rank, branch and service enough to comply.

So the question to you is have you ever been embarrassed for your rank, branch or service?

EXAMPLES: Remember the Airman sticking the tongue out on the POW symbol? The Soldiers on funeral detail and casket? We could go on, but are you affected?
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SSG Robert Burns
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How I feel sometimes when I see others make some mistakes worse than others.
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MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca
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I think at some point in our careers we've all had at least one of those moments. I was the HHC Cdr for a Bn Cdr who was punching their command ticket and wanted nothing to do with going to the field. We spent the best 6 months of the years APR-SEP in garrison on drill weekends doing paperwork and maintenance. The XO was on my side, but he couldn't get the boss to budge on even the HQ minus the staff going. The individual made COL 12 months later. WTF?
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MSG(P) Michael Warrick
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I have not had to be embarrassed of my rank and or branch !
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CW5 Sam R. Baker
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MSG(P) Michael Warrick , obviously in the minority on this one future MSG!
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MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca
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MSG(P) Michael Warrick I believe what CW5 Sam R. Baker is saying is, It's not about being embarrassed about what rank or branch you are but have certain individuals of your rank and/or branch done something so mortifying that it embarrasses you because you are affiliated by rank or branch. Like I'll bet every anti- aircraft battery in the Ukraine are tossing their uniforms and switching branches as we speak after those idiots shooting down that civilian Malaysian airliner. That kind of embarrassing.
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CW5 Sam R. Baker
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HOOAH there MAJ with similar haircut! MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca
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I was embarrassed to be a Noncommissioned Officer last night as I signed in from leave. I was at Staff Duty, and on the desk was the latest copy of the NCO Journal. The cover had a close-up photo of an NCO assigned as OPFOR at JRTC aiming his rifle at [presumably] BLUFOR. The kicker was that he hadn't shaved in about a week, and his face was smeared on the cover like he was some sort of hero. Last time I checked, OPFOR still had to shave because we use Army Soldiers and NCOs to fill those roles, and still subjected to AR 670-1 and UCMJ. The worst part about it was the following photos of the rest of the OPFOR Soldiers who were clean shaven standing there with their NCO "leader" who clearly was not. I personally take offense when Army Times and other publications publish photos of Soldiers "doing the right thing" as per the context of the article, but their uniform is blatantly wrong. Why is it so hard for some people to wear the uniform correctly?
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CW5 Sam R. Baker
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HOOAH and Air Assault!
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TSgt Joshua Copeland
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I use to do OPFOR at the Epeditionary Center and we were only required to be shaved when wearing out AF uniform. When we were doing OPFOR in foreign uniforms shaving was optional.
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I got no reason to be embarrassed, I was not the one looking like a fool by lying, saying that he was going to do whatever he wanted, etc.
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CW5 Sam R. Baker
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I am glad to know you notice and separate the two. Younger, less experienced and exposed Soldiers and others are not always so aware. Aviation as you know has the mass population density of warrants. Most MOS outside of 15 series do not get to see a warrant officer on a daily basis, hence the concern regarding the article.
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Never embarrassed of rank or branch. But more ashamed or disappointed of the perception an idiot might portray to the civilian populous who have no knowledge of the military.
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CW5 Sam R. Baker Thank you sir.
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Cpl Tom Surdi
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I'm very embarrassed for my branch right now. The Marine Corps is being dragged through the mud for the actions of a few. This whole nude photo scandal has put a black eye on the Corps that wont soon be forgotten. And not just the men who passed them around, but the women who took the photos and knowingly put them out for all to see. The women who took nude photos and either had them stolen or shared by someone they trusted are the victims, and so is the Corps. These are not the morals of the Marine Corps, we stand for something greater than this.
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CW5 Sam R. Baker
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It is unfortunate much like Tailhook and other services that had things in the past, what makes this one a little more damning if you will, is the huge numbers of participants and folks who condoned and let it ride for so long. The Corps brotherhood and strength among Marines is admired and the strongest of any service, this will flush out soon enough. The Navy is dealing with the 7th right now also and the schemes of contracting.
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Constantly by other Marines that don't know when to keep their mouths shut, and when personnel from in other services who try and compare themselves to us when it comes to address of ranks, customs & courtesies, responsibilities of ranks, and abbreviation of ranks.

On another note, was this "CW3" ever a part of the 160th and simply wanted to emulate the Soldiers he (supposedly) picked up/dropped off?
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CW5 Sam R. Baker
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He was never a member.
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This question helps me out somewhat and I would honor any feedback,going on two years ago I joined the Tennesse State Guard it was my only way to serve.It is not the national guard but augments them,we are a part of the Tennessee state military department but we don't have all the benefits of other services and that is fine.Due to my background I got put in an E-4 slot 12 Bravo20 and I swore in and took an oath and started my monthly drills and training.We train alongside the national guard and help out all we can.we are only state side deployable and although we work with other soldiers from different places we get laughed at like we are a joke and that is a huge embarrassment to me!Ive had other soldiers tell me to steer clear that it is a militia and they laugh like its nothing so it makes me second guess my decision to join!Any thoughts on this?
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CW5 Sam R. Baker
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CPL (Join to see) it is my belief that those who feel you are not serving in a capacity that suits THEM are lost souls themselves. Any service volunteered is an honor if done so honorably. Upholding to the standards and traditions of the organization to which you serve is admirable. It would be similar to me that I make a comparison to the NFL practice squads. Those men who are out there running plays of other teams for their primary team to practice against are part of the team, although they do not get a Superbowl ring or the reward of other accolades, they make the team better by being there. Your service makes that team better and if they don't realize it, when they have to perform all work and try to OP4 themselves and other issues like that, you will be missed. It is a shame to me that some feel they are superior for only signing on the line elsewhere. We are on the same team defending our country, whether outside or inside our borders. Thank you for your service.
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Thank you for your thoughts and feedback on this matter CW5 Sam B.,I push forward and give 100% no matter the situation,I only hope that I can help and serve where needed!CPL Allen 4TH INF regiment TNSG,we lead others follow HOOAH
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CSM Christopher St. Cyr
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I think humbled is a better word. Britches for E-8s and 9 are rather large and I am not.
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CW5 Sam R. Baker
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With my age I am trying to stay smaller than bigger britches, but it is a every day challenge, thanks for your .02.
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PO1 Glenn Boucher
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I can only speak for myself because I am the one who worked for my rank and I chose my service. I have no regrets and I am not embarrassed by others foolish behavior. Yeah, I heard all the stories about drunken sailors in liberty ports acting like fools and how everyone perceives that the Navy in general is like that. When I was stationed overseas in Japan and deployed on ships there around Asia I rarely saw my shipmates running around acting like fools, we actually tended to look out for one another so as not to have any liberty incidents. It was when I was stationed in CONUS and my ship pulled into St. Martin that I saw the stereotypical ignorant behavior by all ranks on the ship, guys so drunk that they had to be strapped into stokes stretchers and tilted to the side so they wouldn't choke on their own puke. Disgusting to say the least, especially when you see a Chief like that, but embarrassing? No, not for me because I never put myself in that situation.
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CW5 Sam R. Baker
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HOOAH, appreciate the .02 and personal thoughts to service PO1 Glenn Boucher
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SGT Michael Glenn
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I WAS embarrassed by my rank and the yoyo effect that I did to my rank. There was a time during active duty when I just didnt give a crap about the military or staying in it. Having said that I will say in my defense that I had gotten a bad chain that wound up going to prison for the things they did while I was assigned to them, again I WAS embarrassed, but only for a short time. I wound up realizing that the Army was not like what I had experienced and that it still deserved the respect I initially gave it. Once that realization was met I accelled and went from a freshly demoted CPL to the rank of PFC right back to SPC and then SGT within a year. This I am VERY proud of!
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CW5 Sam R. Baker
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SGT Michael Glenn, you are not alone in your opinion, assessment and victories. Many of us with hard knocks have similar experiences and kudos for speaking out.
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