Posted on Oct 31, 2018
Madison Holloway
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Yeah, I know, you've all told me that I'm never going to get into any branch of the military with only one kidney. The Army has already disqualified me and now I'm in the middle of trying to enlist in the Air Force. People keep telling me that I have no chance of joining, but I'm making more progress than you've all expected. My recruiter has my medical papers and he knows all about my one kidney. And yet, he didn't turn me down and give me an automatic disqualification. He said I can go take the ASVAB, which I took today and scored a 94 on, and then he said that he'll send my scores down to be looked at so that I can be considered for MEPS.

So....when does this so-called "automatic disqualification" show up, because I ain't seeing it. I took the ASVAB, scored high on it, and now I'm being considered for MEPS. And what happens when my recruiter says I'm in the clear for MEPS? What happens when I pass the physical and MEPS lets me swear in? What happens when they notice that my one kidney doesn't impede me in any way? Chances are you all will still be saying "You're never gonna get in! You're disqualified!"

I honestly just typed this up because I like that I'm proving you guys wrong so far. I've made it farther than any of you have anticipated and I'm just the type of guy who likes to rub things in.
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TSgt Bruce Davis
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from what i read, you are definitely Air Force material! jeez, why not apply for pilots school right now! (no offence Air Force). but seriously, if you do happen to get through MEPS, and get a ship date for basic training, be sure to post it here. i, for one, would LOVE to send you a care package!
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TSgt David Holman
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Would it be full of cookies... please tell me it would be full of cookies.
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LT Brad McInnis
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Walmart is hiring.... Yes it is snarky, but you have shown an inability and an absolute unwillingness to listen to people that know more than you. Yes, I know it is hard to believe, but the roughly 1000's of years of experience here at RP dealing with these issues, is certainly not as much as your experience! wait, that's right you don't have any experience. I do applaud your desire to serve, but absolutely would never want you in the service for your attitude. It would get someone killed downrange. The safety of service members is the only thing that I care about it. Now, in all seriousness, stop clogging the RP feed with these stupid screeds!
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LT Brad McInnis I’m actually sitting in XNA airport next to a Walmart Exec (this is their home office) and showed him this. He laughed and said even Walmart would fire this person within 3-6 months.
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TSgt David Holman
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CPT (Join to see) this comment just made me realize what happens when coffee hits monitor.
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Maj John Bell
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Mr. Madison, when it comes to actual service policy and regulations, go to an authoritative source, not opinions on RP. In your case, that would be your recruiter, who hopefully, but not necessarily, will provide the definitive answer.

That said... it is pretty immature to cop an attitude when people provide honest opinions to your honest question. I doubt if they were just trying to screw with you. Hence the down vote.

If you do get recruited, I hope you rapidly gain some maturity and tact. If not, you will probably at best be a bitter, unhappy, one-termer; with a hundred reasons why it is everybody else's fault that the military was a bad experience. That is an opinion I hope you prove wrong.
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LTJG Er/Trauma Rn
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https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid= [login to see] 4317AAHAfvy&guccounter=1
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LTJG Er/Trauma Rn
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Even if you possibly gets a waiver for this, you are already starting out bad with this. Everyone is just letting you know what disqualifies you for the military and the kidney is a DQ. I did look up that the AirForce may give a waiver if they are in desperate need for people. If you think you are going to talk this way and have any kind of respect from anyone or people treat you with respect it will not happen. You asked for advice and people responded with advice. If you didn't want to hear it then you shouldn't have posted.
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LTC Stephen C.
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Well done, LTJG (Join to see).
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TSgt David Holman
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LTJG (Join to see) - Air Force is not in desperate need of people. We are under the same "deploy or get out" status as every other branch.
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Maj John Bell
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DOD INSTRUCTION 6130.03 - Medical Standards For Appointment, Enlistment, or Induction into the Military Services

Section 5 - Disqualifying Conditions
Paragraph 15 - Urinary Tract
Sub Paragraph i. - Absence of one kidney, congenital or acquired.

There is a possibility of a waiver, however to get such a waiver, it requires intervention of the Service Secretary (in your case the Secretary of the Air Force). Who must request a waiver from the Assistant Secretary of Defense for Health Affairs justifying an Air Force wide modification to the medical standards, or justify an individual waiver based on overwhelming critical needs of the Air Force which cannot be met through other means.

http://www.esd.whs.mil/Portals/54/Documents/DD/issuances/dodi/613003p.pdf?ver=2018-05-04-113917-883
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SFC Caretaker
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There is always a solution to a problem Madison Holloway. I can understand the hardship of not being able to do something that you’ve dreamed of your whole life. Or maybe just trying to escape the life you currently live. Non of us on here no anything really know about you and there for we are only able to offer our best advice in light of not knowing much other then what you have posted.

There are other military options that may actually fit your current situation and may not be so strenuous on your body. Unfortunately your kidneys are a huge function of your body and without two of them you put your body into so much risk of serious and painful drawn out death.
With that being said, have you looked into your local Malitia by chance? Here is a link that may assist you in maybe finding an alternative military. I have both civilian and veteran friends in some of the ones where I live. I think maybe that would be a better place for you to start.

https://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/State+militia

There maybe some folks here that may help guid you in your journey through life. Not really sure why your in a hurry to become a soldier, most of us just come back broken anyways.
Good luck and I as a hot head kid once myself, I would maybe approach things differently. Some times people make there choice of your enlistment based on your attitude and how treat others. Even the military has standards of how you conduct your mannerism towards others and yourself. This with a forward negative post like this would potentially put fellow soldiers in danger.
Again good luck and I hope it all works out for you.
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SSG Robert Perrotto
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Not going to upvote nor will I down vote - I will not upvote because, quite frankly, you are behaving like a prick, and pity the poor NCO that has to train and mentor you, I will not downvote because you are trying to serve.

That being said, should you fall through the cracks and manage to enlist, lose the attitude. Nothing will get on your supervisors nerves more then some boot who thinks they know more, or thinks they can slide by the system, it will bring microscopic scrutiny upon you, and a world of pain. We NCO's can and will utilize the regulations and policies to absolutely wreck smartass boots. until the desired attitude adjustment is achieved.
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MAJ Geiter Dunn
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Your attitude shown here is sure to be a big hit in Basic. Make sure you let the Drill Instructors know that you'll question everything they tell you, as you work to prove then wrong. Then, when you return home after getting released under "Failure To Adapt", you can let all your friends know that you were just too smart, everyone was jealous of your intelligence, so they let you go.
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SPC William Weedman
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I read your post carefully. I can already tell you are lying in your post, I’m certain all the other leaders caught it as well. Well when you fill out the medical history paperwork to get into the physical you will have to lie about your missing kidney or the medical staff will dismiss you fast. So to lie through MEPS (I think there is a question about being rejected by another branch on the questionnaire) and the Air Force lets you in. During Basic you will start lying, to your fellow trainees, to your sergeants, to anyone else. At some point either you will forget all the lies you told and slip up, or you will brag about getting over on MEPS. Then the house of cards you built will collapse hard and fast. If your lucky it happens in the first 180 days, that way they might simply end your contract with a general discharge at the convenience of the government. At 181 days it becomes a series of non- judicial punishment that will snowball into a court martial either Bad Conduct or Less than Honorable Conditions. That will follow you forever. Any job with a whisper of government connection that discharge will come back to bite you. Be honest, totally honest with everyone and in the future you can honestly say “I tried to become an airman, but I was medically disqualified.” If you say that, I’ll admire your honesty and not hesitate to buy you a beer.
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SFC Jim Ruether
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If you get in and that's a really big if? You had better lose this attitude you have or someones going to beat it out of you in basic training.
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Otherwise known as a blanket party.
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