Posted on Jul 31, 2020
MSgt B Grimes
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What are your thoughts given some basic info? Fraud, Criminal Intent, PTSD & psychology.
An Army infantry soldier completes a first term 4 year enlistment, excited following 9/11. Possibly serves only one overseas tour, and never fires his weapon in combat. Gets out of Army following enlistment and joins Army Guard. Within first year of guard duty (upon orders for overseas tour) claims PTSD threatens to kill his comrades. Is released from duty.
Member has tried for 12 years to get benefits, and finally receives 100% disability. Claims to his family that his PTSD disease is cured. Does not follow psychologists prescriptions, as they are not really needed.
Was member fit for duty when enlisting in the Army Guard? Or did this member fraudulently join having pre-existing condition?
Can this member have concealed carry and go hunting, when he claims PTSD for gunfire?
would you consider this member to be defrauding the government and taxpayer?
Soldier has lied to family members claiming to be heroic sniper, only to reveal as lies later, having never fired his weapon in actual combat. Possibly used similar lies to VA psychologist.
How would you approach situation? VA does not seem to care, and does not offer path for investigation.
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CPO John Hopkins
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I know a few Navy Vets who suffer because of the Carrier Flight Deck. Those are the most dangerous 4 acres on the planet, where your own aircraft try very hard to kill you. I’ve seen folks sucked into engine intakes, struck by propellers, blown over the side by jet exhaust, and sliced by arresting cables. We’d typically lose 2-3 people during peacetime deployments, ironically we didn’t lose any flight deck crewmen during our Gulf War deployment, although we did lose an A-6 crew to a SAM.
People have varying degrees of stress, not everyone reacts the same way. Or become stressed by the same stimulus.

The VA Raters aren’t always consistent, I was diagnosed with cancer after 10 years after completing my 21 years of active duty. The raters determined it was service related despite symptoms noted on active duty. But it worked out as I got increases for my knees, back, and other stuff that pushed me over 100%.
I don’t rue anyone else’s good fortune, I’d just let this slide and pay attention to what affects me
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MSgt Allen Chandler
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Everybody has something wrong. If you go to the doctor and get a check up, there is definitely going to be something wrong with you. Most of us are healthy in the sense of the things wrong with us a very small and don't matter too much and the doctors can't do much about them anyway. Another hand there are a lot of us to have specific diseases for example I have diabetes. Based on the VA rules that counts for 10% disability. And if my diabetes was much worse the number might go up but the point is the based on the rules and the level of problem I have I get 10%. I believe, at least it wouldn't surprise me is 90% of the people have some sort of PTSD. Because everybody has traumatic events in their life. No just like diabetes, or hearing problems and a lot of other things ptsd is on a scale. You can be very small and you probably don't even notice it and they doctors might not even counted because it doesn't rise to a certain level. On the other hand he can be completely disability and make you 100% disabled. In the VA rating system no to people are exactly the same. So you may have gone to basic training and then had a really bad accident or something and gotten out where is someone else may have gone through hell and high water for 20 years and then retired. Each of you will have your own story and each of you would get your own disability number from the VA.
My assumption is that number how much you think you know you don't know the whole story. If you brought this to the proper authorities at the VA then I would let it rest. How much Strother have one guy get away with it did a bunch of guys cancel because the rumors
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CPT Larry Hudson
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Circumstances are not really capable of beinng deserned by lay people. This is a question that the psychological and medical departments of the Veterans Administration must answer. If legal action is demanded then there are test which can more clearly define whether the soldier is a true PTSD patient or wherher he is a fake. Disabilities can be removed and judicial actions taken if proven fake claim.
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TSgt James Warfield
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Sadly, there are those who have no morals and will file false claims. Sadly those who file false claims are used against those who have legit claims have to go through more hoops ( red tape ) to get their claims approved, because of people who file false claims, yet as you described, the false claim eventually get's approved, while those who truly need are struggling to get help, and their claims approved. the fact it took 12 years for this person to get his claim approved, shows the weakness in our systems. What changed in they system to allow him to get his claim approved, sadly it's political, depending on who is in office at the time and if the relax or lower the bar to get benefits.
To be honest I would rather see one person slip through, then make it even harder for those who need it, deserve it are able to. Like I stated all to often, the system is set up against those who play by the rules as opposed to those who learn how to game the system.
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Sgt James Pepin
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I believe there are fraudulent claims of PTSD, just there are fraudulent claims of heroism, and many other services related things. My service time was in the Air Force, so I never considered the possibility of suffering from PTSD. Of the 4 years I served 18 months were in North Africa, from there going directly to 13 months in Vietnam. I came home in 1967 to a time when being in military service you were lower than scum. Again, I never thought I might have PTSD even though I have gone through a lot of struggles since I got out. A year or so after getting out I wanted to end it all, after seeing my civilian doctor he sent me to the regional VA hospital. I was at the VA hospital overnight then sent home. Doctors at the VA said they saw nothing obviously wrong believing I was not a threat to myself or anyone else so there was nothing they could do. Now here in 2023 after reviewing my history over the past 50+ years my VA PCP and the service officer at my American Legion post feel there is reason enough to pursue the possibility I do in fact have PTSD. Real or fake, in my case the events in my life have been real, PSTD real I don't know but I will be seeing mental health professionals at the VA and see where that leads.
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LCpl Jeff Moore
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I don't believe the myth that everyone that goes into combat must develop PTSD
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GySgt Michael Payne
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Not a myth, just a check...
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SSgt Mitchell Parod
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The armed forces are full of fraud. Most people just want that money. No integrity in most of them.
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SGT Keith Newman
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While I was at the Warrior Transition Unit in Ft Campbell. I came across someone that said they had PTSD, with less than 3.5yrs. This person never deployed. Asked why they had PTSD and was told my drill sergeant yelled at me. All I could do was turn around and walk away. Wasn’t worth getting busted down and assault on my record. I did a tour in Iraq and Afghanistan.
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A1C Medrick "Rick" DeVaney
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Edited 1 y ago
The VA Tells ME I Have P.T.S.D.
And I DISAGREE With Them....
And Since The Very First Day I've Used Their Services,
~~ Seriously, the FIRST DAY & Ever Needed Them.~~
It's Been One Screw-Up Followed By The Next,
Misdiagnosed As Bi-Polar Only To Discover The Medication
They Gave Me Was Driving Me Nuts.. There Was Nothing Wrong With Me.
THANK The Gods For MEDICARE.....
I'm Now An ESCAPEE, And Living To Tell Others
"Check Them Out Before Trusting Them With Your Life,"
In All Seriousness, Other Issues Arose Where They Almost Killed Me,...
Emergency Surgery, Followed By Hospitalization And MONTHS Of Rehab Time,,,
With But Just SOME Recovery.. While Other Damages Are Permanent.

~~ I Only WISH It Were Just Misdiagnosed P.T.S.D.~~

My Brother Goes To The Dayton, Ohio VA And BRAGS About The GREAT Care He Gets..
They DO Take GREAT Care Of Him; He Even Gets Telephone Calls To Ask How He's Doing,
And Letting Him Know Of Other Benefits.....
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SFC Terry Bryant
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Edited 1 y ago
PTSD is a condition that is evaluated by the VA or other doctor outside the VA. Most people know what degree they have PTSD anyway. I know I have it as I still have symptoms of it and always will. You don't spend a year or more in ANY combat zone designated as such even if you never fire you weapon and not have PTSD to some extent. PTSD is nothing more than the human brain's response to a high level of stress. I remember for instance on my first deployment in BALAD we would get mortared almost every night or day sometimes. When I first arrived I would dive for the nearest bunker when the alarms went off shaking in my boots. Then I would watch many many other airmen and Soldiers looking at me and laughing while continuing on to their location. Eventually I got t where I did the same and mostly ignored the mortars. Did I have PTSD after that deployment. Did I claim PTSD on my VA claim. No I did not. Why? Because I just didn't feel my PTSD was serious enough to be getting a VA check for. So people who claim PTSD who were EVER in a combat zone deserve that whether they were a hardened combat Soldier or a clerk who never went outside the wire. Now while you are entitled to your opinion, it is the VA who ultimately decides who has PTSD and who does not. Not us Soldiers.
Now here is the kicker to my story. After serving 32 years in the Military mostly around aircraft, I have severe hearing loss. When I reported this to the VA they gave me hearing test. They confirmed my severe hearing loss but the civilian who commented on it did not believe it to be..."SERVICE RELATED" LOL. Go figure. I never appealed it as I don't really care too. Perhaps another symptom of PTSD or depression that makes me not care much about such things after the shit I have seen in my career.
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