Posted on May 22, 2014
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If you've been in long enough, you have seen this at least once. You come across a female, she has a mustache, what do you (or did you) do? I was present as another soldier to observe my 1SG tell her politely to either make it meet regs or to take it off. She lost her mind! I don't know what happened after I left the unit but I dont think his approach/execution was wrong.

This is another "slippery slope" topic. I'm genuinely interested in your responses, in today's ever changing Army, this could become something that occurs more often.
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SSG V. Michelle Woods
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SSG Ray

There is absolutely no way on God's green earth I would ever bring this up to a woman. I don't care how out of regs it is; I don't care if someone says I don't have a backbone or Im not doing the "right" thing...nope, not going to do it lol.
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SGT Justin Singleton
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CPT (Join to see), "Is the reg gender neutral?"—excellent point.
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Capt Jeff S.
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Well, IF the regs are truly gender neutral, the women should be required to wear the same uniform as the men, keep their hair the same length as the men's, no ear rings or makeup, and keep their mustaches trimmed to the corners of their mouth. LOL, we'll see how far that one goes!!!
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SSG V. Michelle Woods
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Or Capt Jeff S., men could be required to keep their hair as long as women and wear women's uniforms ;)
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Capt Jeff S.
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Yeah SSG V. Michelle Woods, LOL, we already know how far that will go... : )~
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SFC Stephen Carden
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Gooney Goo Goo. And if you laughed at that, then you know exactly what it means and you are old too!
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FN Mike McCormack
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Sasquatch!!! LOL!
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CW3 Network Architect
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DO NOT VIEW THAT VIDEO IF YOU ARE AT WORK!!!!! OR IF YOUNG CHILDREN ARE AROUND!!!! (or at least use earphones...)
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Bunny.
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SFC Michael Hasbun
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Army regulations do not prohibit facial hair for women. All mention of beards and mustaches are expressly directed at males. She is violation of no policy.
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SGM Senior Adviser, National Communications
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SSG Erny, I can just see you offering laser tat removals inside that tent in your pix.
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MSgt Security Forces
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SSG John Erny Not only is it available if she says it makes her self conscious they will foot the bill. Just like when a small busted woman says she doesn't like how she looks the military will pay to "enhance" them for her.
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SSG John Erny if there was a female NCO under me who beat the hell out of an 11B who assaulted one of her troops.....I wouldn't tell her a damn thing about her mustache.

Was the troop in question sexually assaulted by the 11B? Male/Female situation?
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SSG John Erny
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No, it was a male rigger
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Females with mustaches?
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Not gonna lie.... I'm cursed with bad family genes. As I get older, this problem gets worse, but you can make DAMN sure that I don't go out in public if it's noticeable to the point that I am uncomfortable about it. As someone else mentioned, it is also hormonal and it's not easy to deal with :(

I don't shave or wax - I thread, regularly - approximately every 2 weeks. No one would ever know it was a problem.

FYI, check out this link if you have never heard of threading.

I cannot, for the life of me, understand why ANY WOMAN with ANY pride would not just take care of it. Have a little bit of self respect and class! I understand not wanting to shave, as she may think that it would grow back thicker. I would be afraid of that too. But surely she'd be smart enough to explore her options.
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I should add that now that I think about this, this could be a HUGE problem for someone on deployment. If I were active duty and nowhere near someone who could do the threading for me, I'd be "up a creek without a paddle." I would HAVE to find another option. Probably regular tweezing maintenance to keep it under control, but that can become difficult to maintain. This wasn't an issue for me when I was younger, so I'm not sure how I would feel if I were active duty today.

I will say that if I were in this poor girl's shoes, if some man said something to me, I would be utterly mortified, personally and professionally. I would hope that he would have enough compassion to ask a female within my chain of command, or close enough to my chain of command, or a peer, to say something to me, if it truly appeared that I was absolutely oblivious to the problem.
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MSG Sean Milhauser
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Actually, PO3 Hicks, I deployed to Iraq a few years back and our FOB had an AAFES beauty salon of a sort for the female troops there. I'm not sure if they had "threading", but I know they offered manicures, pedicures, etc. Different topic, I know, but I guess my larger point being depending on where someone may be deployed it's not completely austere.
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Ah yes, that's true. The ship I was on had none of that and there were times that we were underway for up to 60 days without setting foot on land. Certainly would have helped with morale, but the only salon services were barber type services. :( It's funny how the certain military words mean different things to different branches of the service.

Off topic, whenever I watch Army Wives on tv, I get so frustrated when they talk about deployment and it's conveyed to be a very short period of time, like several weeks. I always assume that deployment =6 or 7 months or more.

Maybe the SH's or whatever rate/MOS equivalent should learn to do threading and waxing rather than just buzz cuts :) ha!
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CMDCM Gene Treants
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PO3 (Join to see) Just passing on some info for you to consider - my mother used to use an epilator on her lip when she got older (she shaved her legs and under arms), but swore this was best for lip.
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SSG Ray--True story: Once upon a time I faced one of those awkward moments in a career when this Sgt Major had to require a female NCO to shave. Yes, she was the female version of Beetle Bailey.. It was not a mustache that was the issue--she kept that sucker waxed. Sometimes she waxed in public and it sounded like skinning a catfish. But that's another story. No, it was her very long chin whiskers that became the issue..which she apparently shaved to the point of having a beard and then let it go several days each month. Perhaps male NCOs were afraid of an EEO complaint. Perhaps it was because she'd gone native in Italy... where some of my older female relatives have bird's nests in their armpits. But alas, SGT Lack O'Hygiene had black curly whiskers crawling down her chin like inch long spiders. I mean, you couldn't help but stare at it with wide-eyed wonder and make the sign of the cross. Worse, she smelled like rotting tuna. When I arrived, she also needed a new uniform, soap, deodorant, toothpaste and shall we say, feminine products, which we cheerfully provided through a brave female soldier. Her POV was filled to the brim with empty beer cans indicating another problem. There wasn't even any paint left on on her once black metal pin on stripes so you wondered if her previous NCOs were asleep at the wheel or simply couldn't get past the smell with a gas mask...Since we had a male misfit with similar issues, we gave new meaning to the definition of Equal Opportunity. Both are probably now working at a fast food place nearest you. Let's hope they wash their hands.
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SFC Dr. Joseph Finck, BS, MA, DSS
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SGM (Join to see) , I narrowly escaped injury while reading this. Something about falling from my chair and hitting my head on the corner of the desk on the way down. MEDIC.......
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SGM Senior Adviser, National Communications
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SFC Finck--it's story you can share around a napalm campfire in future....
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CPT Chris Loomis
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SGM Dan Coberly that was the funniest writing I've read in some time! THANK YOU! I needed a laugh this morning. Excellent story and way to describe a horrific situation.
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SGM Senior Adviser, National Communications
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SFC Finck, SGT Nyberg, 2LT Loomis..can't make this stuff up...although I will polish it up in a pending book: Man on the Floor! Story of my life from Army brat to bureaucrat with a military career in between.
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That would be the most awkward conversation ever!
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Sir,
It would be the most awesome if I saw during that conversation... For me.
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Ladies -n- Gents. For field expedience, may I suggest Duct Tape? Works great. Won't melt. Cheap. Better than wax.
Also removes sand, splinters, shrapnel, bacteria, cammo grease, shoe polish, viruses, and those dreadful dead skins cells that harm one's soldierly complexion. Maybe live ones too. Can also be used as second skin to prevent blisters and sunburn. At least for a while.

Doctor Dan says "Leave it on for a few days to remove warts and unwanted third eyebrows. Simply ignore the stares."

CAUTION! DO NOT USE for the optional desert A1X1 Bikini or Jockey Trim.
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Duct tape is like the Force, it has a light side, it has a dark side, and it binds the universe together. I love that stuff.
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SSG Parachute Rigger
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SGM you are my new hero. The hilarity ensues.
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SSG Foote, I can use all the fan mail I can get. If you send a coin, send one I can deposit at the credit union. That's my new measure of success.
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MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca
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Man, are we on this female body hair kick AGAIN?. I find it hilarious to see some of the responses and even more hilarious that this is a serious topic of discussion, but that's what makes RP, RP! IMHO:

1. I haven't the foggiest notion why a woman would intentionally want to maintain a moustache? I know it does occur naturally, and usually very lightly and my observation is that women don't generally like it. I have enough older Italian aunts, so I know the deal.

2. If this is something that a certain female population wants to do then simply add "female" to the existing facial hair reg and call it a day.

This is too damn funny!
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SGM Senior Adviser, National Communications
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SGT Jarrett: Hairy legs = Baaad. Smooth legs = Goood. Hairlips like mine are a toss up.
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MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca We should do it anyway, just to avoid any possibility of it happening...
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SGM (Join to see) that's funny
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As a platoon sergeant, I actually had a female troop who had to shave daily. Seeing her beside the males doing personal hygiene in the field was something very special!
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I have to admit, I do not shave my legs so who am I to complain? lol
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