Posted on Feb 2, 2018
For the counseling dates on an Army NCOER, does this counseling need to be documented?
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Follow the simple rule that I found to be true both in the military and civilian life.
If it isn't in writing, it didn't happen.
If it isn't in writing, it didn't happen.
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Having been on RP for a long time now, I've seen some ignorant questions asked (SFC who couldn't understand why he was being booted for AWOL), to folks complaining that this site isn't strictly just for troops to disseminate military only information (as if no one else on this site was/is military), or "why are there civilians on here". There are plenty of times to be a dickhead to others, and then there are times like this where a "simple" question is asked (a valid one with all the changes that are occurring in the ranks), that doesn't merit being a douche in your responses.
Be. Know. Do. Fairly simple, easy to do, even in retired/ETS status.
The oath doesn't have a expiration date.
"No one is more professional than I"...that includes helping your fellow NCO get answers and not degrading your fellow NCO's. The Creed doesn't either.
Be. Know. Do. Fairly simple, easy to do, even in retired/ETS status.
The oath doesn't have a expiration date.
"No one is more professional than I"...that includes helping your fellow NCO get answers and not degrading your fellow NCO's. The Creed doesn't either.
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SSG Warren Swan
SFC (Join to see) - I hope you're not going to retire anytime soon. You broke the cardinal rule of making sense. We're not supposed to make sense, just beat our chests and berate each other at will. Feelings and MOS be damned. Ohh and anyone not 11 series is a POG. Gotta get the POGs opinions out being we don't see combat or have a viable purpose in the Army (all of this in my years on this site), so how could we have opinions if we're not fully battle tested.
In all seriousness, I admit I was one hell of a fuck up, but I see what I did wrong, and as a retiree, I get the pleasure and chance to make it right for someone behind be, so they can influence those behind them. Its paying it forward and a blessing all NCO's should take. The jobs change, the fucking up doesn't. We can influence the second so the first helps itself.
In all seriousness, I admit I was one hell of a fuck up, but I see what I did wrong, and as a retiree, I get the pleasure and chance to make it right for someone behind be, so they can influence those behind them. Its paying it forward and a blessing all NCO's should take. The jobs change, the fucking up doesn't. We can influence the second so the first helps itself.
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You my friend are absolutely correct.
To be honest it's a struggle to hold on and I'm close to eligible retirement. It's constant roadblocks which have taken it's toll. Since we're on the topic of NCOERs, I recently heard a SGM state, "If you're getting your Senior Rater's silver bullet and you're not eligible for promotion, you should turn it down and give it to someone who is. You can get it again the next round." That's not the dumbest thing I've ever heard, but it's close.
To be honest it's a struggle to hold on and I'm close to eligible retirement. It's constant roadblocks which have taken it's toll. Since we're on the topic of NCOERs, I recently heard a SGM state, "If you're getting your Senior Rater's silver bullet and you're not eligible for promotion, you should turn it down and give it to someone who is. You can get it again the next round." That's not the dumbest thing I've ever heard, but it's close.
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SSG Warren Swan
SFC (Join to see) - I'd have to get back to you on that one. I'm not very familiar with the new NCOER changes. The "Silver Bullet". We're giving away Coors now? Why would anyone give away a bullet if you're up for promotion or not? If you "gave it away now", there's not guarantee you'll have the same rating officials on the next go round. Seems to me SGM has a favorite who needs some help, and by BS'ing y'all hoping one of you will give it. "I hear the choppers hovering, they're hovering overhead, they've come to get their wounded, they've come to get their dead".....those same choppers are flown by the Blue Falcons looking to pick up those who gave that bullet away.
Don't give an inch until you are ready to go. I fully understand how you feel, and to be honest I wish I was in your boots still, but the body and mind as one said no, and the Army's IDES agreed. I make more money medically retired than had I done the full 20, but I only had 18mos left till 20. 20 was my goal, and this money doesn't take away the sting of being so close. Ain't nothing I couldn't handle with a full mind and body for 18mos. I was a 95B (now 31B) and a 74B now 25B, I saw IT on your profile (I was 2bn 1st IO when I punched out). Do your time, retire, and laugh your ass off with your newfound money as a contractor or whatever. Laugh all the way until VA calls and you have your C&P appointments. You'll stop laughing then and want to skulldrag all of em.
Don't give an inch until you are ready to go. I fully understand how you feel, and to be honest I wish I was in your boots still, but the body and mind as one said no, and the Army's IDES agreed. I make more money medically retired than had I done the full 20, but I only had 18mos left till 20. 20 was my goal, and this money doesn't take away the sting of being so close. Ain't nothing I couldn't handle with a full mind and body for 18mos. I was a 95B (now 31B) and a 74B now 25B, I saw IT on your profile (I was 2bn 1st IO when I punched out). Do your time, retire, and laugh your ass off with your newfound money as a contractor or whatever. Laugh all the way until VA calls and you have your C&P appointments. You'll stop laughing then and want to skulldrag all of em.
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You're absolutely correct, "Why would anyone give away a bullet if you're up for promotion or not?" That's ludicrous that it would even be mentioned. You're earning are exactly that, yours. Use what you deserve to get you to the position you've earned while helping others along the way.
My IT days are over. Bouncing around NCOIC jobs made me realize that even the communications field is a never ending headache with too many unreachable expectations from the top. I found myself a new gig that I think is more my speed which leads me to a more enjoyable retirement.
My IT days are over. Bouncing around NCOIC jobs made me realize that even the communications field is a never ending headache with too many unreachable expectations from the top. I found myself a new gig that I think is more my speed which leads me to a more enjoyable retirement.
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I guess I’m old fashioned, I like to counsel my NCOs every 3 months, so the know where they at and want do they have to improve on. And if I have to let them have it on the final review, they know why, because they were counsel on it, and I have a signature to proof it. I know is hard sometimes because of training and everything else is going on at unit level, but not impossible, and if you aim for 4 but end up with 3, is fine with me. The ncos need to know we’re they stand, they need feed back from the seniors.
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