Posted on Nov 18, 2015
From 2004 to 2014, over 2,000 terror suspects legally purchased guns in the United States.
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Now, this I just can't comprehend. According to this article, suspected and known terrorists, by our Federal law, are allowed to legally purchase firearms. Something is horribly wrong with our Federal gun laws. The Democrats want to put thumb screws on lawful American citizens purchasing firearms, but in the same breath, it's ok for known or suspected terrorists to purchase them. This is crazy, BS.
And now for the rest of this infuriating story:
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Given France's strict gun laws, the terrorists who attacked Paris on Friday may have turned to black market sources for the weapons they used. But in the United States, known and suspected terrorists are allowed to purchase firearms under federal law.
"Membership in a terrorist organization does not prohibit a person from possessing firearms or explosives under current federal law," the Government Accountability Office concluded in 2010. The law prohibits felons, fugitives, drug addicts and domestic abusers from purchasing a firearm in the United States. But people on the FBI's consolidated terrorist watchlist — typically placed there when there is "reasonable suspicion" that they are a known or suspected terrorist — can freely purchase handguns or assault-style rifles.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/11/16/why-the-nra-opposed-laws-to-prevent-suspected-terrorists-from-buying-guns/
And now for the rest of this infuriating story:
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Given France's strict gun laws, the terrorists who attacked Paris on Friday may have turned to black market sources for the weapons they used. But in the United States, known and suspected terrorists are allowed to purchase firearms under federal law.
"Membership in a terrorist organization does not prohibit a person from possessing firearms or explosives under current federal law," the Government Accountability Office concluded in 2010. The law prohibits felons, fugitives, drug addicts and domestic abusers from purchasing a firearm in the United States. But people on the FBI's consolidated terrorist watchlist — typically placed there when there is "reasonable suspicion" that they are a known or suspected terrorist — can freely purchase handguns or assault-style rifles.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/11/16/why-the-nra-opposed-laws-to-prevent-suspected-terrorists-from-buying-guns/
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Only the news media would say the NRA is responsible for the failure of the background checks on these sales. The Universal Background check was the cure all according to the anti-gun crowd. I'm sure that some government official will say its because the "no fly list" was too important and too "national secrety" to give to each State of the Union.
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LTC Trent Klug, Someone would have to be ignorant to think the NRA is responsible. They don't control Washington. They do have a huge lobby, but that's about it. I'm glad they're lobbying for us gun owners. If it wasn't for them, I don't know where we would be with our weapons rights.
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A whole lot of you are not going to like what I have to say on this topic. We have a constitutional right 2a. That should be the beginning and end of any argument. What are are really talking about here is denying an american citizen a constitutional right with out any due process of law. These "suspected terrorist" should not be able to purchase guns but are still allowed to walk the streets? yes thats sarcasm.
Its easy to say lets deny this right to this group of people for the common good. Hell Hitler did it, look how well that worked out for the Jews, Gays, political opponents.
Welcome to scare tactics 101, Holy crap "Suspected terrorist legally purchased a gun and its the NRAs fault.
Look at it this way suspected terrorist have purchased over 2000 guns in the last 11 years, how many of these suspected terrorist have used them in a illegal manner? That data seems to be missing.
If the government were to try to remove any other constitutional right the they do 2a we the people would literally be up in arms, yet the majority of the people sit wringing their hands because the media in in the liberals back pocket.
You guys do remember that oath we took right? It said protect and defend the constitution. If this aint an attack on the constitution I don't know what is. /rant
Its easy to say lets deny this right to this group of people for the common good. Hell Hitler did it, look how well that worked out for the Jews, Gays, political opponents.
Welcome to scare tactics 101, Holy crap "Suspected terrorist legally purchased a gun and its the NRAs fault.
Look at it this way suspected terrorist have purchased over 2000 guns in the last 11 years, how many of these suspected terrorist have used them in a illegal manner? That data seems to be missing.
If the government were to try to remove any other constitutional right the they do 2a we the people would literally be up in arms, yet the majority of the people sit wringing their hands because the media in in the liberals back pocket.
You guys do remember that oath we took right? It said protect and defend the constitution. If this aint an attack on the constitution I don't know what is. /rant
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PO2 Wesley Wilson, With what's going on with ISIS right now, people need to know they are safe. The news media publishes anything they can get, on terrorism. I appreciate your liberal views on our 2nd Amendment rights. I'm just sayin.
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PO2 Wesley Wilson
The media is a huge part of the problem, they have stopped reporting facts and are more concerned with how they can spin them. the headline above is great example. I could say "In a 10 year period over 2000 guns were legally sold to American Citizens who are on the terrorist watch-list and not one of them has been used to commit a crime"
The real question here is how many real terrorist are on the list? my bet is few if any. I will never support denying any citizen a constitutional right with out due process. What we have now so closely resembles the McCarthy era communist witch hunt its not funny.
The real question here is how many real terrorist are on the list? my bet is few if any. I will never support denying any citizen a constitutional right with out due process. What we have now so closely resembles the McCarthy era communist witch hunt its not funny.
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CDR Michael Goldschmidt
PO2 Wesley Wilson - The difference is that the Communist witch hunt had more validity. There actually were Communists in our government. Finding Alger Hiss, for instance, is what made Nixon famous.
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"Membership in a terrorist organization does not prohibit a person from possessing firearms or explosives under current federal law"
Now whose fault is that? Certainly not the NRA. It is Congress that writes the law.
"The NRA and its allies are worried that perfectly law-abiding people may end up on a watchlist and be unable to purchase a gun."
As long as the watchlist requirements reasonably target people actually deserving of suspicion there should be no problem.
We already prohibit those with a history of domestic violence from purchasing firearms, but not those who simply know someone that stands accused of domestic violence.
700,000 people on the watch list - when it is not possible to watch that many - seems a bit excessive to me.
Now whose fault is that? Certainly not the NRA. It is Congress that writes the law.
"The NRA and its allies are worried that perfectly law-abiding people may end up on a watchlist and be unable to purchase a gun."
As long as the watchlist requirements reasonably target people actually deserving of suspicion there should be no problem.
We already prohibit those with a history of domestic violence from purchasing firearms, but not those who simply know someone that stands accused of domestic violence.
700,000 people on the watch list - when it is not possible to watch that many - seems a bit excessive to me.
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PVT Robert Gresham
MAJ Bryan Zeski - Yes, I do understand, and respect, your point, but the NSA HAS been known to collect blanket data on millions of US citizens. How are we to be sure that this is not a way to collect guns from anyone that the current Government considers to be "undesirable"?
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MAJ Bryan Zeski
PVT Robert Gresham - I realize that my veiled sarcasm was probably a little bit TOO veiled. I don't advocate the stripping of the Constitutional right to bear arms without due process - so we shouldn't stop people from buying guns simply because the government randomly put them on a list. Similarly, the NSA should not be collecting data on millions of Americans at random either. We can't say its ok for the government to violate one right (privacy) for "security" without it being ok to violate other rights (2A) for the same reason.
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PVT Robert Gresham
MAJ Bryan Zeski - I guess I missed the veil. It happens, especially late at night, after a long day. Thanks for the discussion though !!
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MAJ Bryan Zeski
PVT Robert Gresham - Sometimes I think I bury my point too deep in sarcasm. I can't help it, I'm a Staff Officer.
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If they're "suspected and known terrorists", why haven't they been arrested and tried? Either this is BS, or the government wants them on the street and only pretends that it doesn't want them to buy firearms.
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Although I totally disagree. This does look like a quality publication though. Is it owned by the same company that prints the National Enquirer or The World News? Remember the story of the bat boy? LOL
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Me too, but if they thought they legally purchased the guns, I would have to disagree.
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No, I don't have a copy of anything. Write to Washington and ask them. I bet you get the same answer.
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What about the federal government allowing the illegal sale of firearms so that they could confiscate our rights and take away our ability to own firearms?
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Innocent until proven guilty! If a person is suspected of committing a crime, or of being a terrorist, but they have not been arrested and convicted, it is illegal to punish them/restrict their Constitutional rights.
Innocent until proven guilty! If a person is suspected of committing a crime, or of being a terrorist, but they have not been arrested and convicted, it is illegal to punish them/restrict their Constitutional rights.
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Yeah, I'm aware of that PO1 John Miller. The 2nd Amendment. Can't have it both ways.
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PO1 John Miller, We have fought to keep that amendment, and no matter who it is, if they are eligible, they have to be treated like an honest citizen. I still don't like it, but I agree with it.
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NRA is not the issue. They need to stop blaming them. I'm going to blame the spoon that fed me ice cream cause I'm lactose intolerant. No. I'll keep buying my guns and carrying them daily. Molon Labe.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/20/us/us-investigators-struggle-to-track-homegrown-isis-suspects.html?_r=1
Maybe these investigators need to contact the Daily News who can provide the names of at least 2,000 of them.
Maybe these investigators need to contact the Daily News who can provide the names of at least 2,000 of them.
U.S. Investigators Struggle to Track Homegrown ISIS Suspects
Many in the United States who are believed to have Islamic State ties have never visited Syria, and thwarting them is like trying to prevent a school shooting.
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Interesting that the POTUS is in the PI, touting how the GOP is using scare tactics, but this liberal newspaper's scare tactics aren't mentioned?!!
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