Posted on Aug 1, 2015
Has the time come to abolish the Electoral College???
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What is the purpose of a popular vote by the American public IF a select group of people can negate that popular vote and choose someone else? IT HAS HAPPENED.
Election 2016
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Have been reading through the thread... my brothers have been universal in their understanding of why we need the EC.... I have nothing to add. Proud of you all!
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Absolutely not! We can never allow 10 to 15 states with over population to determine the future for all. It works!
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No it is not ..... I use to think that until I did a little studying on it. It gives every community a fair chance. I mean it would be the same thing as saying isn't time we got rid of non commissioned & commissioned officers. Why not just have one rank system?
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A straight Democractic system (1 man, 1 vote) is just as flawed (if not more flawed than) the Electoral College system.
The Electoral College system ensures that smaller states have "some" say in the election of our President, which if it didn't exist, they just wouldn't. Candidates would just limit themselves to major population centers and be done with it.
That isn't to say it doesn't have flaws, and can't be refined, but True Democracy is an absolutely horrible system, and there is a reason we don't have one.
The major flaw with the EC system is the "winner take all" in the States as of right now. If we got rid of that, and had proportional representation, it would likely fix the majority of People's complaints while still keeping the safeguards as intended. You wouldn't have CA or TX or NY having too much power, while RI or DE have none.
The Electoral College system ensures that smaller states have "some" say in the election of our President, which if it didn't exist, they just wouldn't. Candidates would just limit themselves to major population centers and be done with it.
That isn't to say it doesn't have flaws, and can't be refined, but True Democracy is an absolutely horrible system, and there is a reason we don't have one.
The major flaw with the EC system is the "winner take all" in the States as of right now. If we got rid of that, and had proportional representation, it would likely fix the majority of People's complaints while still keeping the safeguards as intended. You wouldn't have CA or TX or NY having too much power, while RI or DE have none.
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We are a republic, NOT a democracy. The problems that our country faces nowadays is because many, including those in government have forgotten that.
"Democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where 51% of the people can take away the rights of the other 49%"- Thomas Jefferson
I think it's best we heed his advice. We're already seeing the consequences of ignoring it.
"Democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where 51% of the people can take away the rights of the other 49%"- Thomas Jefferson
I think it's best we heed his advice. We're already seeing the consequences of ignoring it.
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Some people are forgetting that a Democracy is 2 wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner.
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PO2. I think we should leave it alone. It has serviced us well for over 200 years. In frack leave the Contitution alone period. If Congress writes a law that against the Contitution declare it null and void. Same for the President. Enforce the laws.
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There are 3,141 counties in the United State
Trump won 3,084 of them.
Clinton won 57.
There are 62 counties in New York State.
Trump won 46 of them.
Clinton won 16.
Clinton won the popular vote by approx. 2 million votes.
In the 5 counties that encompass NYC, (Bronx, Brooklyn, Manhattan, Richmond & Queens) Clinton received well over 2 million more votes than Trump. (Clinton only won 4 of these counties, Trump won Richmond)
Therefore these 5 counties alone, more than accounted for Clinton winning the popular vote of the entire country.
These 5 counties comprise 319 square miles.
The United States is comprised of 3, 797,000 square miles.
When you have a country that encompasses almost 4 million square miles of territory, it would be ludicrous to even suggest that the vote of those that encompass a mere 319 square miles should dictate the outcome of a national election.« le
Trump won 3,084 of them.
Clinton won 57.
There are 62 counties in New York State.
Trump won 46 of them.
Clinton won 16.
Clinton won the popular vote by approx. 2 million votes.
In the 5 counties that encompass NYC, (Bronx, Brooklyn, Manhattan, Richmond & Queens) Clinton received well over 2 million more votes than Trump. (Clinton only won 4 of these counties, Trump won Richmond)
Therefore these 5 counties alone, more than accounted for Clinton winning the popular vote of the entire country.
These 5 counties comprise 319 square miles.
The United States is comprised of 3, 797,000 square miles.
When you have a country that encompasses almost 4 million square miles of territory, it would be ludicrous to even suggest that the vote of those that encompass a mere 319 square miles should dictate the outcome of a national election.« le
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SPC Tom Walsh
Not to mention a total population of over 300,000,000 people. Vs a few densely populated (read overcrowded and crime-ridden) cities.
Most important answer I've seen on this thread.
I don't want New York, New Jersey, and California to pass laws for the entire nation that contains places like Wyoming, Montana, and North Dakota.
Most important answer I've seen on this thread.
I don't want New York, New Jersey, and California to pass laws for the entire nation that contains places like Wyoming, Montana, and North Dakota.
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