Posted on Oct 26, 2014
CPT Chris Loomis
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COL Jason Smallfield, PMP, CFM, CM
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I will answer your question in a more general way which is "how to influence up" which is not dependent upon if your superiors are good or bad:
1. Use Sun Tzu. Know yourself, your enemy (superiors in this case) and the terrain. Know yourself by knowing your own strengths/weaknesses, goals/objectives, opportunities/threats and endstate. Know your superiors by knowing their guidance, personalities, and process/procedures/systems. Know the terrain by knowing your operational environment.
2. Know doctrine. Best time to influence is before highers OPORD (not after) and know echelon timelines and issues.
3. Take decisive action. Do this by anticipating and acting, creating opportunities for engagement, pushing information higher, proactively engaging, and picking your head up from the bayonet fights that you are in.
4. Do not expect decisive results on every engagement. Be tactically patient and plant seeds early. Then harvest these seeds at the appropriate time.
5. If all else fails, remember that among your job, your boss, and your current location; one of the three will most likely change out within the next year.
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I find that if I have a leader that lacking in areas, that I try to steer that person in the right direction by making suggestions to try to influence that person. If I see that the suggestions are not having an effect I will then dropping some stronger hints, and hopefully they catch onto that. If all else fails I have told leaders like that flat out that they are jacked up and need to fix themselves, using tact of course. I feel that if a leader does not take criticism and can own up to their mistakes and short comings than they are not a true leader, because everyone has their short comings that they can improve on.
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CMSgt James Nolan
CMSgt James Nolan
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COL Jason Smallfield, PMP, CFM, CM Sir, dead on. And "the terrain may change" is so true (and if it does not, you can always ask for orders!) CW5 (Join to see) excellent advice again Chief. By holding the line, the tendency is for others to sometimes pick up the pace!
CPT Chris Loomis Good luck and remember this nugget sir: The boss does not always want your opinion-but when he does, give it. (took me a looooong time to learn that the boss did not always want my opinions.....)
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Cpl Michael Strickler
Cpl Michael Strickler
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COL Jason Smallfield, PMP, CFM, CM, very well said. Your last point is one of the things I remember everyday. Anytime I ever got into a... "dis-likable" situation of some sort I always remind myself 'nothing last forever.'
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SSgt Geospatial Intelligence
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COL Jason Smallfield, PMP, CFM, CM Thank you for the pearl of wisdom. I swear I am filling up a notebook on all the leadership nuggets I find on these pages!!!
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I submit that you do your best, CPT Chris Loomis, and set the example for YOUR troops. While you're at it, you may have an influence on those mediocre superiors. They'll see you doing things right and they just might follow your lead.
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MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca
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Very good advice Chief!!
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CPT Hhc Company Commander
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I view myself as a "bullshit umbrella". PV2 Snuffy doesn't need to hear the waffling back and forth about "Is there LIK this month?" or stress about the fluidity of our next mission. He needs to be able to show up and execute. They don't need to see me sitting there, angrily throwing things around in my office....pissing and moaning about the trials that we all endure. They need to see me and know that I'm going to bust my ass to take care of them. Their only concern should be "How can I add to the team and support my leadership?" My concern is everything else.

I do my best to assess my leaders early and often. For me, I tend to push hard when it is important.....so at times I'm sure my superiors shake their head when they see me coming. I've ranted and raved in their offices like a madman when it's important....but it's because I care about my troops.

Mediocre/lack of leadership I can deal with more than incompetent/overinvolved leadership. I can guide my troops independently......sometimes pushing someone's nose out of my platoon/company is harder than dragging someone by the dog tag chain to get my Soldiers' needs met.
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CPT Chris Loomis
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CPT JONATHAN BUTLER

Sir, thank you. The above post is the type that I look forward to reading. You've imparted valuable wisdom and perspective...something that all 2LT's can use.

V/R,
2LT CHRIS LOOMIS
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CPL Brendan Hayes
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I like your image of "bullshit umbrella." I think that is the job of any leader. Once you are in a leadership position, you do not get to gripe around your subordinates. It is the job of junior leaders to lead by example and not let subordinates know how ate up the upper levels are. 2LT Chris Loomis, take care of your troops and shield them from as much of the BS as possible. If you can do that, you are doing what you should be doing as a Lt.
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SFC Michael D.
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Gripes go up the chain of command, not down. But have a solution for your gripes when you do gripe.
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TSgt Mario Guajardo
TSgt Mario Guajardo
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One of my Captains called himself a "bullshit filter" but basically same as above.
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How do you deal with mediocre superiors and their lack of leadership?
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2LT Loomis, as an O1, your biggest job is to learn how to be an officer. What you got in Officer Training is of very limited use in the real world. Learn from your Senior Enlisted, learn from those above you in the chain.

You will always run into people with severe cranial-rectal inversions. Sometimes you have to just sick it up in the military. Learn from what you see, and try to avoid making the same mistakes you see them doing. However, I will counsel you with this aphorism, children in their teens think their parents are clueless idiots. When they are 35, they become amazed at how much wisdom their parents gained in 20 years. Note:the parents didn't change. ..
CPT Keith Steinhurst
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Well LT I'll tell you - welcome back to the zero defect Army - when I first started LT OERs were not masked, then they were, now they are not - again . . . The idea was that there is a learning curve for junior officers and that a good leader would allow (within reasonable limits) their subordinates to make mistakes and learn by doing - I always tried to mentor my subordinate leaders and would, as long as their acts were not contrary to policy, regulation, or law, subsidize mistakes. Bad leadership happens. The best advice I can give to you and any other junior officer reading is this - you can not pick your 'boss' in the Army - so good, bad, or ugly, you will have to deal with it. The best way to deal with it IMO is to NOT take thing personally - it is not personal, it is the Army. Also, remember that whatever you are doing, it is the Army and the Army's - you don't own that product - it was produced on Army time using Army material and coordinated with other soldiers. Learn this, live it, love it and your time in ACUs will be enjoyable - don't and you will live in a miserable 'hell' of your own creation until you PCS or REFRAD. Cheers!
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Lt Col Strategic Planning Officer
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I have found it useful to only interact with them when absolutely necessary and focus on getting things done at the working level which is where the work gets done anyway. Being competent and being willing to share credit are keys to success in my opinion.
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Personally I have always been blunt with subordanates, peers and superiors. I have never been disrespectful or untactful in my criticism, concerns or suggestions. But have never been afraid to step on toes if necessary. To be a true leader you must watch, listen and learn from all sources and avenues to develop your successful approach. If you fail to take criticism and suggestions you will fail. So don't be afraid to add your concerns or suggestions. Good luck!
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I prefer a leader that is blunt when orders are given out, I find it way easier to understand my mission when things are spelled out in black in white. I am one of those blunt people and I know a lot of my peers do not like dealing with me because I do not sugar coat the truth.
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CPT Hhc Company Commander
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MSgt (Join to see) -I wish I could say I've never been disrespectful/untactful. Usually, the individual has to be stupid...and I've had a few times later where I would come up to the people around and apologize.

Fortunately, the times that I'm "over the top" in things, it usually takes people by surprise enough that I've managed to duck getting in trouble.

I keep hoping that getting older will aid in smoothing out my temperment....but so far I've not had luck.....
v/r,
CPT Butler
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SGM Mikel Dawson
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Sometimes one must let a person hang them self. You can give all the advice there is, if they don't want to listen, you can lead a horse to water - - - -. One of the traits of a good leader is knowing when your wrong and admit it - this is the toughest for many. Remember one thing - LEAD BY EXAMPLE.
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Capt Daniel Goodman
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You know, I entirely perceive your rationale for asking the question, I think, however, in all the time I was in, quite honestly, I never had one that was like that...God knows I was, on reflection, being entirely honest about it, at least till I learned gradually how to function in the role, albeit too late, as turned out to be the case, however, candidly, of all those I was under, and there were many, both active duty, as well as civil svc, none of them were ever like that, honest, incongruous and unlikely as that might seem...some also positively floored me, when I'd met them, honest, incl. one O-9 Apollo astronaut when I was at USAF OTS, the O-6 who was the Lackland OTS Commandant while I'd been there, he'd been a personal friend of the Apollo astronaut,and the O-6 CO of my unit, who'd just been selected for O-7, with whom I sat once for a solid hour, who'd been awarded the DFC, and, as I'd only learned much later, flew over 400 combat missions in O-2s in Vietnam...then there was the O-9 of my unit, whom I saw twice, the O-6 who was base commander where I was, with whom I'd once spent an entire day...quite honestly, the limitations and mediocrity were entirely with me, candidly, never them, I assure you....
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Capt Daniel Goodman
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That's all admittedly quite difficult for me to admit, however, it also is all quite true, honestly....
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SFC Christopher Taggart
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I guess it depends on the job and position you’re in. If it’s in the combat arms, such as training and leading soldiers into combat, you probably don’t have too much of that, otherwise soldiers will probably get killed. If it’s in a support position, I would probably try to work around them, unless I had no other choice. A lot of people that are in leadership positions, shouldn’t be…not that they’re bad people, they are just not natural leaders, no matter how much training they get. Just a thought.
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Sir, John Maxwell has a course entitled the 360 degree leader and it specifically addresses leading up. Which is basically working to help you leader be more effective as a leader and manager. There are about 7 steps but the first one is the most important and that is do your job very well first. Without doing your job extremely well and gaining credibility with your leader you will never be able to influence them in any way.

Once you have gained that credibility and rapport with you leader you can then help them to become better. Also, you should probably be able to speak to their failings in a manner that invites discussion...not easy for most of us!
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