Posted on Jun 26, 2015
How do you think "Radical Muslims" are seen by those Muslims who are not??
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Brigette Gabriel!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry3NzkAOo3s
Love her!
She should take the job as Sec. of State and remove John Kerry.
I often wonder if the "non-radicalized" Muslims look at those that are kinda like we Christians look at people like Westboro Baptist Church.
They say that 15-20% of the Muslims have been "radicalized" but half don't want to be martyrs and or kill people. They just believe like those who have been. That's about 3 million Muslims who want to harm or could harm America and Other Countries, if they wanted to.
But if most Muslims do not believe this way, WHY is it that they won't speak out or condemn certain acts? I am talking mainly about those that are here in America. IF they have, PLEASE show me when and where, because I would love to see it.
And I ask this because of what just happened to a person working for an American company over in France...
***I am sorry, I don't know how to get the day of terror media report off. It's been deleted. I saw that someone else had brought it up. I am a good admin.***
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry3NzkAOo3s
Love her!
She should take the job as Sec. of State and remove John Kerry.
I often wonder if the "non-radicalized" Muslims look at those that are kinda like we Christians look at people like Westboro Baptist Church.
They say that 15-20% of the Muslims have been "radicalized" but half don't want to be martyrs and or kill people. They just believe like those who have been. That's about 3 million Muslims who want to harm or could harm America and Other Countries, if they wanted to.
But if most Muslims do not believe this way, WHY is it that they won't speak out or condemn certain acts? I am talking mainly about those that are here in America. IF they have, PLEASE show me when and where, because I would love to see it.
And I ask this because of what just happened to a person working for an American company over in France...
***I am sorry, I don't know how to get the day of terror media report off. It's been deleted. I saw that someone else had brought it up. I am a good admin.***
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The Muslims I knew in Turkey, that i spoke to about such, did in-fact view the radical Muslims in a way very much like the westboro folks are viewed.
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SGT Jeremiah B.
Not quite, SGT (Join to see). Think of it similar to how a strikingly sad number of churches deal with domestic violence and molestation. These become internal "church matters" and speaking up publicly can be viewed as airing dirty laundry that will make everyone else look bad.
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LTC Thomas Tennant
I lived in Turkey in the late 1950's and early 1960's when my father was stationed there. I will tell you I still have many friends from that period. They are concerned with the rise of Radical Islam. What is complicating things for them is the Kurds wanting to carve out a piece of South Western Turkey and Assad in Syria. Now with Putin and Russian troops in the mix....the whole thing is unstable for them.
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I am a proud Christian and unlike those poor lost souls in Westboro, I try to be non-judgemental and believe that love will conquer hate. I would go insane if someone compared me to someone known as being so blatently hypocritical. I would image it would be the same for them. All they want is the freedom to practice their faith and everytime one of the extremists lashes out, they get looked at as the enemy. Even the most passive muslim has a breaking point and if they continue being harassed for peacefully practicing their religion, it is us who is to blame for creating another extremist. I try to look at what is in your heart, not what you wear on your head. I'm the first to admit that when I hear arabic I am back in the zone. But that isn't out of hate (necessarily). But anyone, regardless of religion, who kills to further their cause or justify their beliefs is the enemy of mankind, not just a certain religion.
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Awesome reply!! I really couldn't have and didn't say it better myself. I too go back when I hear the music. I don't like it. Not in my top 10 on ITunes SFC Mark Merino
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To be honest I have no idea how they Muslim "extremists" are viewed by everyday, moderate Muslims because, aside from the onesies or twosies you may see/hear from on news shows, there is no word put forth in any great volume from the Muslim communities. I think this may be part of the reason that sideways glances are too often thrown in their direction by the average American or western citizen.
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Maj Mike Sciales
I listen to the Middle East news every day. It is all they talk about - defeating ISIS. I've been in this region continuously since 2000 and I can assure you the vast majority (around 99% or more) for my decry ISIS. They are not a religi bunch - they are a highly trained, well organized group of former Iraqi aren't officers and NCOs with an Army of illiterate psychopaths. They are conducting military campaigns - this isn't rabble. Everything they do has been deliberate - they are well organized.
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SFC William Swartz Jr
Honestly wish you would here more from the organizations here at home in the states....this is even more of a reason for us to be fully committed to destroying these psychopaths, completely eliminate them from the face of the earth.....
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I suspect the problem is the media you consume. Muslim organizations around the world condemn this stuff. I lived abroad myself and have family in the Middle East. That has been completely eye opening. The agenda driven bubble most Americans live in is a travesty.
Muslims protest, denounce and even fight against this stuff. You will NOT hear about it in American news unless something happens to force them to cover it.
Muslims protest, denounce and even fight against this stuff. You will NOT hear about it in American news unless something happens to force them to cover it.
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SGT Jeremiah B.
SGT (Join to see), major Muslim organizations here in the US have publicly denounced the actions of extremists. Protests happen as well. Example: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/aug/10/husain-american-muslims-march-saudi-embassy-protes/
Do you protest every time a "Christian" murders an abortion doctor? Are you taking to the streets every time the LRA steals another kid? There's a lot of religious violence in the world. Muslims are no more monolithic than Christians are. We can't demand they do something we wouldn't do ourselves.
Do you protest every time a "Christian" murders an abortion doctor? Are you taking to the streets every time the LRA steals another kid? There's a lot of religious violence in the world. Muslims are no more monolithic than Christians are. We can't demand they do something we wouldn't do ourselves.
HUSAIN: American Muslims march on Saudi Embassy to protest extremism
Blaming the Saudi government for exporting extremism around the Muslim world, a cluster of American Muslim groups joined a protest at the Saudi Embassy this week. Organized by the Chicago based Al Baqee Organization, the rally was held in remembrance of a multitude of Islamic heritage sites that were destroyed by the Saudi Royal family upon assuming power nine decades ago.
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No I don't. But if Christians started a "crusade" again, you can bet your ?? that I would be.
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SGT Jeremiah B.
SGT (Join to see), this really hasn't entered "Crusade" phase. We're talking about mostly small groups that are just as happy to kill each other as anything else. ISIS is the first large-scale organization with anything approaching that sort of organization. Muslims around the world and in the US are definitely protesting, speaking out against and violently opposing them.
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Every Muslim I've ever met disavows Daesh/ISIS. Like one said "if that is Islam I'm not a Muslim.". Every Mufti, every Leader in the region has denounced them. All of the Gulf countries are actively engaged in hunting them down. These
Murderers burned a Jordanian pilot alive and it galvanized Jordan and their Hessimite King, Abdullah - a direct descendent of the Prophet. The authorities are rounding up suspected members and educating the public. Make no mistake, ISIS usa far greater threat to Islam than to us, so governments are fighting them hard. They are committed.
Murderers burned a Jordanian pilot alive and it galvanized Jordan and their Hessimite King, Abdullah - a direct descendent of the Prophet. The authorities are rounding up suspected members and educating the public. Make no mistake, ISIS usa far greater threat to Islam than to us, so governments are fighting them hard. They are committed.
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Absolutely, they are appalled by the techniques and devices used by the radical groups. Did you know that the extremist believe that Muslims who are not extremists are not going to be saved? This is how they justify killing other Muslims, it's ok to do so because they (other Muslims) are not among the saved. Want to know more check out Wahhabi Islam.
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I didn't know that at all. As we can see, though, it doesn't matter who they kill. I don't get blowing up a Mosque. I mean, isn't that where they go to worship? I mean, they make no sense. None. I thought the objective was for everyone to become followers of Islam , yet they still kill their very own people. Just dumb
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Maj Mike Sciales
The objective of Daesh/ISIS is to become in charge. They don't care about Islam, don't care about Mosques, don't care about people. They simply want the billions of dollars that comes with ruling the "caliphate."
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I likened this to that confederate/rebel or whatever "historians" are calling that flag this morning...when it was getting bad press from the KKK, no one said anything...
Right now, Islam is getting a lot of free press from the radicals - there is no counter message.
the non-crazy muslims are letting the crazy muslims ruin their message by letting them do all of the talking.
Right now, Islam is getting a lot of free press from the radicals - there is no counter message.
the non-crazy muslims are letting the crazy muslims ruin their message by letting them do all of the talking.
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They do speak out we just don't hear about it because it isn't headline grabbing. Attached is an open letter written to Saudi King Salman bin Abdul Aziz against Radical Islam (Wahhabi ideology).
http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2015/2/open-letter-to-saudi-king-salman-bin-abdul-aziz.html
http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2015/2/open-letter-to-saudi-king-salman-bin-abdul-aziz.html
OPINION: Open letter to Saudi King Salman bin Abdul-Aziz
Saudi Arabia should curb Wahhabi ideology to alleviate human suffering in the Muslim world
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One of the issues we have been facing is that the traditional Muslims don't really speak out against the radicals. To neither condone nor condemn them says a lot to everyone else. Do they not condemn them out of fear? It would be better for them and everyone if they would show us that they are against what they do.
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SGT Jeremiah B.
SGT (Join to see), see my other post regarding the states. As for standing up anyway, there is what we hope we'd do and what we would actually do. I got a lot more sympathetic when I looked at my oldest daughter (5), imagined her in the worst video I've been exposed to (and knew it got worse) and wondered if I could really do THAT to her so that someone far away felt better. The answer was no. I would fight if people chose to fight. I would even help get the ball rolling there. I would not, however, listen to my daughter scream in agony so that some utterly disconnected, self-interested foreigner could MAYBE know I didn't approve of extremists.
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SGT Jeremiah B.
And now you know just how horrible of a place my brain is to muck around in too, SGT (Join to see)!
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They do speak out. It's just that it's not headine grabbing material. What's better to report on the psychopathic actions of ISIS or that a group of Islamic scholars wrote a letter condemning Wahhabi Islam?
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Not a Muslim -- But I believe that Islam is not as monolithic as some may believe. The difference between Shiite and Sunni is analogous to the difference between Catholic and Protestant. I believe there are also significant schisms within Shiite Islam and within Sunni Islam. I suspect that some Muslims accept each other despite doctrinal differences and some believe the others are damned for all time. The same spectrum that Christians have.
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