Posted on Sep 19, 2014
SSG Pete Fleming
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There have been a lot of discussions regarding the whole 'heritage' month thing. I am not wanting to get into the 'big' debate. In fact, I think everyone should be proud of their heritage and background, whether you're a first generation or a 10th generation. But whatever happened to just being an American?

Well, actually that is misleading if you think about it…

Canadians, Mexicans, Brazilians, Falkland Islanders we're all Americans. Which is not an ethnicity or a race but continents largely made up of non-indigenous people. The Native Americans are the original Americans (by the geographical use of the word) however, that opens a whole new debate… Please save that for a different discussion (thank you).

The name though, that is one thing our founding fathers should have considered when they gave birth to a new nation. Like all new parents, they think of a name that is so cute at the time, then reality hits. Something I can relate to, my poor daughter… However, calling us a United Statesian just doesn't sound right... So back to being American (USA) and proud!

Moving on…

Now as it has been pointed out in previous discussions we lump everybody into one category or another, besides my aforementioned American. Something, many wish we would just stick with. Focus on what unites us and not what separates us. After all just how many generations of living in a place (nation) does it take for one to stop counting themselves as part this or that? 1-2-3-4-5 ("the kind of thing an idiot would have on his luggage!") Just how many degrees of separation are necessary before you are solely an American (USA)?

Many refuse to see it that way and everyone wants to be united yet remain individual??? And be recognized for this, yet ironically they still allow themselves to be lumped together??? Asians, as example, have May... Asia is a large place made up a lot of different people. Native Americans have November (again a large diverse group of people). February Black history month… Even zombies get a month (they share May). The Hispanics have September-October…

But now where is European American month? Just like Asia and Africa, Europe is a continent. Most of the current nations in the 'Americas' trace their roots East to European beginnings. Hispanics, are of Spanish decent… which is in Europe… ergo… we should celebrate National European Month.

However, we don't…

So this brings me back to be proud of who you are, where you came from, and the contributions that have been made. But if The United States is to move forward we need to be American first or otherwise we all should call ourselves Nigerian-American, Greek-American, Dutch-American… though I prefer the plain and simple American.

Actually I think I will add one last point for consideration…

My great- times whatever- grandmother (Miss Jansen) was born in the Flatlands (Fort Nassau, the first Dutch settlement in North America) New York Area in 1617 they returned to Holland then came back a few years later. Miss Jansen married Jan Van Arsdalen (Born in Holland) and had Simon Van Arsdalen (born in 'America'). Jump ahead to 1936, my mother, maiden last name Van Arsdalen was born (in The United States). The family tree directly traces the line, on US soil, all the back to Miss Jansen, and even on back to Holland for another couple hundred years at least.

So, my mother's family is clearly of direct Dutch heritage (most likely 'pure' blooded Dutch) and has been on 'American' soil almost 400 years… Does that make me a Dutch-American or have I earned the right to be just American?
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I am a Naturalized Citizen and I am an American. It is my choice to be an American. I will continue to be an American until the day I die. I have my heritage and I am proud of it, but I came here to be part of this country.
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SSG Pete Fleming
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LT Alex Gonzalez, great answer, sir. Thanks for your reply.
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COL Randall C.
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Proud to be a 15th generation American (or something like that) with English and Polish background primarily with a lot of other heritage such as American Indian, Irish, German, Dutch, Welsh and a few others thrown in (my mother is the genealogist, not I).

Basically I'm a mutt (of course, I haven't met very many 'pure' anything, which sums up SSG Pete Fleming's point)
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SSG Pete Fleming
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LTC (P) Randall Cudworth, Well sir, as I said in a different reply that's my mom's side. On My dad's we're English and Native American (with something else most likely).

I just think we should look past all of that (be proud of course) but now we are all Americans (USA)... let's pull together and move forward.

Thanks for commenting, sir.
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COL Randall C. Sir, you alone represent the "Melting Pot" of America that many refer to. Thanks for sharing!
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SGT Richard H.
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Heritage and nationality are two different things entirely.

Certainly for most, if not all of us on this particular site, our Nationality is American. Nationality, while mostly (initially) determined by birth, remains a choice.

Heritage, whether it be African, Spanish, Irish, or whatever is a matter of lineage. Heritage can be "watered down" (i.e...German Mother/Irish Father, etc), but remains constant for a lifetime and can't be changed.....leading me to my answer: You can't lose that claim. All you can do is choose to embrace it or not.
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SSG Pete Fleming
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SGT Richard Hanner, very tactful yet well put. I had not thought about nationality, though I have debated that with others in past conversations... Good point.

Thank you for your response.
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SGT Richard H.
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It's a great question as well, and I think a lot of people use the two (heritage/nationality) interchangeably, thus my point.
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SSG Pete Fleming
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SGT Richard Hanner, very true...
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How many generations does it take to lose your claim to a particular Heritage?
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Great Question. I did the ancestry.com thing for mom, dad, and my daughter. As expected, we are mutts. I can claim everything and nothing.I stand proud as a 2% young black man who somehow traveled through England, France, Germany, Portugal, Norway, Ireland, and Turkey. I am confused. My little Hitomi feeds me all Japanese food and I swear I was Japanese in another life. I'm in that general category...one of God's children. My daughter has a big percentage of Scandinavian! Who knew?
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SFC Mark Merino
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Yup.
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TSgt Joshua Copeland
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I am hienz 57. I have ancestors that were here pre-revolution, so that is a lot of mixing. By contrast, my wife is 3rd generation American on her dad's side and 4th generation on her mothers. She can track her heritage back to specific counties in Ireland and specific regions of German and Russia
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SFC Mark Merino
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There is nothing more lovable than a mutt.
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SFC Mark Merino Hello Brother In Christ!
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1SG Dennis Hicks
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To be short, you only loose what you have when you no longer care to remember or pass it on.
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PO1 William "Chip" Nagel
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I'm Proud to be German/English/Scotch/French American and because we are definitely a melting pot I am disappointed I don't have more diversity in my Heritage but my Grandkids make up for me in that department.
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SSG Pete Fleming
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PO1 William "Chip" Nagel, As someone else pointed out, it makes you what you are not who you are...

Thanks for your comment
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Matthew Torrelli
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75% Italian and the rest is scotish,german,irish,french
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SSG Pete Fleming
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SSG Matthew Torrelli, but 100% American...
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MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca
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75% Italian and 25% French Canadian married to 50% Italian 50% Irish makes my kids: 5/8 Italian, 1/4 Irish and 1/8 French Canadian
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SSG Pete Fleming
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MAJ Robert Petrarca, your family is more represented than the UN on a voting day! Family reunions must fun though...

I do have to ask, why is it 'French Canadian' 'Italian' and 'Irish"... Shouldn't it just be French?

I'm Dutch on my mother's side (obviously), English and Native American on my father's side and my wife is Macedonian... So my daughter is the typical American mutt...
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MAJ Robert (Bob) Petrarca
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Well gentlemen, SSG Pete Fleming and SFC Chris Smith the thing is I actually don't know the difference but can only go on my mother's say-so w/o trying to do a genealogical trace. My maternal grandfather was orphaned as a young child around 8 years old in Connecticut his birthparents were from Quebec Canada. His birth name was Larocque (pronounced "larock") and that's about all he knew, so that's what we go by.
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Wayne Soares
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Thanks for the question Pete
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SFC Joe S. Davis Jr., MSM, DSL My Heritage Days are July 4th & November 11th... "American Veteran"!
Thanks Brother Joe!
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I think those of us commenting here get the pride of our respective heritages (Polish, African, Dutch, Irish, ...) and yet we each stand tall to be "...a more perfect union" as Americans. Please, take a look at this link: {http://www.lifecourse.com/about/method/timelines/generations.html}.

Since I have just become aware of this very interesting website and am still studying it. Yet, I want to share it here to see how each of you "Men and Women of Honor" respond to it. Its focus is on something called the 4th Turning. So far it is interesting. Looking forward to feedback as it applies to the original questions about "generations and their claims."

Also, please look at this additional link {http://www.lifecourse.com/practice/military.html} from this same site.
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