Posted on Oct 16, 2016
How would you react to an E2 who "smart mouths" you in formation?
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Here's the background. You're a senior E5. Your troops are in formation and you're handing out work for the day. You hand out an assignment to a fresh E2 with less than a year in and only a few months at your command. They blatantly complain and tell you to choose someone else. You calmly tell them they will do this task and they tell you to shove it and give it to someone else. How do you react?
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In AIT, I was caught with cigarettes on my person. Instead of ART 15, I was to collect 5000 cigarette butts and have them lined up in formation by the next Sunday 1700 formation. I was about 2400 shy, and still got a summarized ART 15 for not collecting enough.
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SSG (Join to see)
LOL I am genuinely curious, did they have you count them and take your word for it? Or did someone else have to count them?
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I'm old school, and it would probably be the last time you disrespected me. I had a private challenge my authority and he had some remedial training on how to dig a proper hole in the sand. Lets just say when he was done we could have buried a deuce and a half. Problem solved!
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Usually, if you establish yourself from the get go as alpha, you rarely get problems. In this case, you can go a few ways with it. A.) separate the Soldier from the pack and put it in writing and recommend punishment under UCMJ. Your chain of command ought to support your decision in recommending the Soldier to be meritoriously promoted to E-fuzzy. Or B.) If the Soldier was a solid performer and worth your time, you figure out what's going on that would cause them to act out so you, as his/her leader, can find a resolution....then there's C.) depending on your combatives savvy, your afternoon PT session involves the platoon learning about combatives with that problem Soldier as your training partner.
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I'd would have had the rest of the squad doing push-ups until their arms fell of and then put them in a private room with him with instructions that I would not be back for an hour.
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SGT Tom Middleton
MSG (Join to see) - MSG, I think I've been retired too long. What is a CI? Is it really forbidden to drop a soldier for pushups nowadays?
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MSG (Join to see)
SGT Tom Middleton - congressional investigation, your now from my understanding able to give out 10 push ups
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SPC Paul Byre
I wont lie i broke lots of rules in the army in order to do my job properly but even with all the rules i broke i was never dumb enough to back talk or question a lawful order! Hell if i knew ahead of time that I'd be breaking a rule that would get me punished i would schedule volunteer time with my CO. And would still do any extra duty knowing that if i had to break the rules again to protect my unit i would (happened almost weekly in country) it got to the point my Commander and Top started calling me yo-yo because as soon as i would earn rank back i would have to use back channels and get parts that couldn't be got and if you pissed off the wrong person in the process they would do what they can to put you on the right path according to the regulations. For me it was mostly rebuilding parts above my training level in the army. However that was my civilian job before enlisting and i was trained and certified to do so. I knew i was breaking the rules but i always took responsibility for my actions! I got great at low crawling, running and my favorite Local indigenous person's monitoring (fancy for baby sitting) even though iv been out for years i still have my old deployment groups calling me for help on part rebuilding for vehicles and i love helping with special projects from time to time but i wouldn't change one thing about my time in service because it helped make me the person i am today or at least whats left is here today!
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In the Old Days, he would be taken behind the barracks for thump call. Can't do that now, so I would call him out of the formation, leaving the next senior rank in charge, and walk the shitbird E2 out of earshot and sight of anyone else and tell him that he best unf*** himself 'cause I am gonna be all over his ass like stink on s***. And if no one is looking, a shot to the chest/solar plexus to emphasize my point.
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CPL Jordan Roach
I had an issue like that when I was a E4 we had and E6 no one respected I would always follow my orders given but one day my platoon leader let me in charge of the motor pool because I was the ranking mechanic and this same E6 who was the supply Sargent came down barking orders at my Joe's I told them to carry on and respectful asked the NCO why is he telling my guy how to fix shit when he does not know any thing a bout vehical repair and he tried that come out back were Gona talk shit and when he went to swing on me I beat him like a rented mule . I'm not saying that I'm proud of this but there are so many shit bag ncos these days and they wonder why they get no respect
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SSG Paul Headlee
Cpl Deryle Anderson Yes it works. As leaders we don't go running to the Commander every time someone wants to replace us as the alpha.
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Going back to my tims, I would have that person stand tall and give them the most traumatic ass chewing of their adult life and then make sure that they were on every shitty job imagineable until I got tired.
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MSgt Roger Settlemyer
Ya Chief Right On, They can't run very far on a Ship ! Better Yet put him in the Marine Brig aboard ship for R and R.( Till You Get Tired)
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CWO3 (Join to see)
much respect for USN period, especially CPO's and LPO's...but Seabees are outstanding, I had a reserve unit punch a well for our unit while they were on summer drill at Camp Lejeune, seems they were out of USNR unit in Massachusetts, they knew their stuff for sure and were totally professional, the higher ups weren't thrilled about it because of all the water controversy that was recently settled with some $$$, but luckily I had CYA by coordinating it in advance with the II MEF Engineer Officer in G-4, the Base folks got their skivvies in a wad over it though, I figured it was easier to ask forgiveness than permission and got lucky, if I'd asked and gotten Base involved it would likely have never gotten done
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1SG (Join to see)
I agree, significant emotional events will solve a lot of issues. No safe spaces snowflake this it the Military!!!
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Holy fucking shit....I've been in for almost two years and I would never ever say anything but yes to my NCO unless it was unconstitutional.
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PFC (Join to see)
Unlawful yes, but unconstitutional is the main premise. Sometimes it's called to make unlawful decisions based on the mission. Unconstitutional is different.LCpl Bradley Otto -
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SSG Harold Hargrave
This isn't know Democracy! This is the military, The individual will do as told. If he has a problem he can talk to me afterwards, and if their is a physical reason he cannot do what he is told, I will make a judgment call at that time. As for Mouthing off during a formation, an article 15 is in order, might even have him at parade rest for the as long as I can get away with...
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CPO William A. Bullard Jr.
If i give you a G/D order, unless it violates UCMJ, Navy Mar.Corps regulations, Command Instructions, State, Federal or Local law, or Geneva conventions you will God damned well carry it out, not in five minutes, or next year but right now and there will be no "...F***k Yous..." in front of folks because you will pay for it in skin that is a promise
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LCpl Stephen Arnold
CPO William A. Bullard Jr. - I always found you Chiefs to be some of the most compassionate and sincere human beings on the planet. CPO Bullard you epitomize that! LOL
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