Posted on Oct 16, 2016
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Here's the background. You're a senior E5. Your troops are in formation and you're handing out work for the day. You hand out an assignment to a fresh E2 with less than a year in and only a few months at your command. They blatantly complain and tell you to choose someone else. You calmly tell them they will do this task and they tell you to shove it and give it to someone else. How do you react?
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SP5 Norman Binder
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The Classic...drop and give me 50...pushup's. If he is defiant, he probably want's out of the military. After a stay in a military lock up...boot him out.
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SFC Francisco Roman
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Believe me, if that was to happen in my Days. Shitbird PFC... would have been begging me for mercy.. in my Days as a Drill Sargeant there was no problem giving this PFC a really good ass crying day. He would have been asking God for mercy.
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PV2 Duane Schlender
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Edited >1 y ago
Knowing what kind of soldier this is turning out to, to me, I would give this E2 an article 15. Let some punishment sink in. I doubt "drop and give me 20" would have any effect. so, give an article 15. Take away weekend pass. Remove the soldier from things they want to do, and show them what it means to act out.

Not much else, in my opinion, you can do. If they tell you to shove it from a work detail, they will do the same with exercise and everything else. They have no respect for you or anyone else. The article 15 will put them in a place to mandatorily comply, or have worse issues.

On the flip side, there should be consideration to if the soldier is having issues you don't know about (like death in family, girlfriend leaving.. something to set them off). Has this soldier exhibited this behavior before? is this new or common of this soldier??? All things considered... this is the best I can think to say. I have not seen regulations since 2000. I was never above the rank of E2 myself. I do not know more than I DO know. SO, for those that know more.. please forgive me if my answer is not up to par.
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SSG Patrick O'Flaherty
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It's not a democracy. PT his ass on the spot in front of the formation. Then dismiss the formation accept for the idiot in the push up position and quietly explain to him you will PT his ass every chance you get until he complies. Then ask him if everything is ok with him.
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MSG Robert Weston
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Let them know that this is not up for discussion. Write counseling and may recommend for summarize Art 15
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MSG Brian Odonnell
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Sounds like a go time to let him experience wall to wall counseling.
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1SG Jeffrey Mullett
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First, disrespect in the ranks is not tolerated.
I would take him aside, and offer him a chance to correct his attitude. If that didn't work, I would put him back in formation and make an example of him. If he still didn't correct his attitude, I would hand him to the Platoon Sergeant. If that is the position I am holding at that time, it would go to the 1SG.
The determination of an Article 15 or chapter would be up to the command.
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SPC Daniel Killam
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Do everything you can to make him hate you, the unit and the Army. He'll wise up and start licking boots eventually.
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CPO Jack De Merit
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I would discipline them. As an E-4 I was assigned to duty aboard an Aircraft Carrier. We were in port and had received a number of big rigs to unload to be placed aboard the ship by a crane. It required putting all the crates and boxes on pallets. I had a total nine men, E-2s and E-3s. I told them what we were going to do and how. I said let's get it done. One E-3 asked me where I would be having coffee and smoking while they worked. I did not feel that was disrespectful and deserved any disciple. So, I responded. "I will be in the truck passing the boxes to the assembly line I asked for. You may not know this from previous experience but, I have the duty as well as you. Just because I am in charge does not mean I cannot or should not work." I asked if there were any more questions. You could hear a pin drop. While we were working, a Chief Petty Officer came by and asked where the sailor in charge was. They said inside the truck helping with the unloading. He could not believe what he heard and entered the truck. He asked me what I was doing. I said it should be obvious, I have the Duty just as they do and WE are getting the job done. I was not sure if he was stunned or impressed but he left. The next day there was a note in the Plan Of The Day which I printed the previous evening. "ALL PETTY OFFICERS WHO HAVE THE DUTY ARE EXPECTED TO ACTUALLY WORK ALONGSIDE THEIR DUTY PARTY." I think I made a great many enemies that week.
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SP5 John Burleson
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Whens the last time the local cesspool has been bailed out? Lower ranking EMs want things to "be fair" and maybe this guy has been given shit details a lot more than his squadmates (from his viewpoint).
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MSG Dale Fairbanks
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Put the little shit in charge of leading PT, as well as a counseling. This demonstrates to him the responsibilities of leadership, and also puts him on notice that his mouth will not be tolerated. Also, find the worst shit detail you can find to keep him busy.
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SFC Mark Bailey
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"Fire Team Leader, take the rest of the Fire Team and get those tasks done....PV@ Whiner stand fast and do not move until told to do so"

Then walk away and leave them there standing at attention, I'd leave them out there for at least an hour or so...with the Fire Team Leader checking on them at a distance to ensure compliance.

Return with the Squad Leader and a counseling statement filled out with the following recommendations
1- Because of the refusal to do the job.......Seven days extra training after hours, centered around the task they refused to do with the minimum equipment necessary to accomplish that job..... (hand scissors in order to cut the grass)
2- Because of the attitude shown and wording used to you......30 days of additional training at that specific task (if they refused to mow the grass, they will be given that task every day specifically)
3- Then comes the "Magic Bullet Counseling statement"....A statement on it spelling out the articles of the UCMJ you plan to charge them with if they ever do this again..... a company grade Art-15 (Captains Mast) in order to reduce them in rank and take money out of their pocket for disobeying the directions given to them by a senior ranking NCO in charge of them. This used to include a statement that they would be recommended for a 30 day stay in "Charlies Chicken Farm" (Custodial Correction Facility....or a Base Correctional internment facility)
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SGT Anthony Lopez
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I do miss telling them let’s discuss it out side a little wall to wall counseling isn’t all that bad. Seriously though with today’s limitations on discipline it bed to dismiss everyone except him and his squad leader. You want someone present during counseling. Break out the paperwork ( which I strongly dislike but is necessary) write it up along with what corrections must be made. Verbally counsel him and is squad leader. Inform him the paperwork will go away if he does an about face otherwise it will be escalated. Have his squad leader pT the fuck out him while you supervise. I prefer in house discipline however UMCJ would dictate that a summarized article 15 for insubordination would be the next penalty if the troop persists. If you want to be by the book that’s what I can give you but again I personally prefer in house discipline, team should be a family discipline him like you would a son if you want the respect of a Father(leader) just my opinion and I’m a bit outdated my first enlistment starting in the 80s and all
Full metal jacket comes to mind lol
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PFC Shawn Imlay
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WHAT? , really you want the biggest shit details I can find? Look Gentleman ! Privat flappylip wants to show his appreciation for God ... of his understanding , His Country , his Momma , His Brothers in arms. Everyone thank Private Flappylip !
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SFC Bradley Fighting Vehicle System Maintainer
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Simple. Pass on by but do not change his mission. After formation, bring him in, have the counseling ready with your equal or higher. Tell him the circumstances from your position.counsel and advise no such actions will be tolerated. He signs the counseling with the understanding any such actions again could result in UCMJ action. Never back down, as a leader you must be honest, clear, and firm. If you demonstrate anything different, he will see sneakiness.
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SMSgt Sheila Berg
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Keep notes. This problem child was allowed to continue to misbehave. It will affect group moral.
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CW4 Russ Hamilton (Ret)
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Umm... OK, this is an old question but I'll bite. This question is being asked by a CPO (Officer Candidate), do you not know the answer? I have personally seen this in the early 80's in the Army, not just by new E-2's but by E-4's and E-5's. Pathetic but times were weird back then, many were holdovers from Vietnam or Post-Vietnam who would intentionally get busted back to E-1 upon a promotion to E-5 (repeatedly) or they were from the infamous "Retraining Brigade" at Ft Leavenworth. Back then an ass whooping was appropriate, oftentimes the 1SG would personally deal with these "soldiers" himself (Infantry). In basic (Ft Benning 1979), myself and another E-2 were given an order by our drill sergeant to take the offending E-1 and drag, if necessary, the offender to the 1SG's office and guard him until the 1SG arrived (we were having a bit of a riot at the time and most everyone was drunk after their first 6 hr pass). We did just that (he was whacked on drugs after the pass). If it happened in the 1st RGR BN you'd likely be beaten severely and tossed out thay day to the 24th ID at Ft Stewart and then ART 15'd. Assuming you survived the beating, that shit was an absolute no go there.

These days such things are fretted upon, depending on the unit. In this day and age as the E-5, I would repeat the order to insure it was clear and if I got the same result I'd grab two witnesses and have them immediately to write up a sworn statements (in the Army it's a DA 2823) as to what happened (along with mine) and refer it to the squad leader or platoon sergeant. An NCO can arrest a junior soldier for disobeying an order and can direct others to "accompany" the offender to an appropriate location as previously described. If you walk away from such a situation (as I've seen done), you will lose any respect you once had. Likely an ART 15 would be the result (and a trip to CCF back then). Fortunately today's servicemembers are better quality troops overall than from the late 70's and early 80's, at least in the Army Infantry. I'm of course not knocking those who served back then - I was one of them - but you all know this shit happened who were there.
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SGT Charles Bartell
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I had one of these P.O.S. . That just happened to be black.
Every thing was because he was black. I tried talking to him explaining that skin color has nothing to do with who does what.
Some days you get the good jobs other day's you get the one's that suck.
I aske him where he got these Idea's from ?
According to him that is how it is , and has always been.
I then asked him who told him all this? He said his mother back in New Jersey.
Now am the type that will jump in some's shit at the time to figure out what the problem is.
Then I go from their.
This dumb kid had been raised to think he could never get any where.
He was in my platoon, Just put with us on a duty day.
So I do not how his leadership handled him.
I tried to get him to understand that if he keep going this way. He would more than likely be kicked out.
Then reminded him that he needed to look at the skin color of all the leadership from his team leader to the B.C.
It was reparative of how the Battalion was made up. He started to think a little differently.
I was given order's out and did not se him until about for years later and he was a E-5p.
Funny if you talk and teach the facts to people some of them will do the right thing.
Regardless of skin color.
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PFC Gunner
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Opening up a package of whoop ass fajitas
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LCpl Sandy Moran
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Now a days I don't know , since the rules have changed. With that said he would have been given an article15 which could have fined him And or restriction to barracks. You can give him the choice a 15 or assignment. If you could give him Extra Extra PT as well as restriction. All PT done in front of the men. While you explain to the men why not to refuse orders. But I agree with all Nip it in the BUD.
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