How would you react to an E2 who "smart mouths" you in formation?

PIVIT NEEDS TO RESPECT THE RANK RIGHT? NOW I WAS NOT PERFECT IN THIS REGARD, AS A MATTER OF FACT, MY PLATOON LEADER ESSENTIALLY WALKED UP TO ME WHILST WE WERE POLICING THE PARADE GROUND, AND HE STOPPED APPROXIMATELY A METER AWAY TO SHOW ME A CIG-BUTT. HE SAID PICK THIS UP. I DID A QUARTER LEFT FACE AND CONTINUED AROUND HIM.
I WASN'T NEW IN THIS MAN'S ARMY, AND I ALSO KNEW HE DIDN'T LIKE THIS PFC ALL THAT MUCH. I TOLD HIM TO PICK IT UP, BECAUSE THIS IS OUR PARADE GROUND, NOT JUST MINE. LOL~!
YEAH HE DIDN'T LIKE ME ALL THE MORE GUYS, BUT WHEN IT CAME TO ORDERS FOR THE DAY, I RECEIVED THEM, AND WALKED MY BUTT TO THE MOTOR POOL, LOOKING FORWARD TO FEILD MANEUVERS BACK IN GRAFENWOHR GERMANY.
RANK IS ALWAYS TO BE RESPECTED THOUGH, NOT ONLY FOR THE RECOGNITION, BUT ALSO FOR THE UNIT COHESION. A NEWBIE, OR CRUIT AS WE CALLED THEM SHOULD JUST STFU AND LISTEN, LEARN, AND PERFORM TO THE BEST OF THEIR ABILITY, ESPECIALLY IF THEY ARE PART OF A COMBAT M.O.S INFANTRY, ARMOR, OR WHATEVER. ME AND MY FELLOW GUN BUNNY'S WOULD HAVE STRAIGHTENED HIM OUT, FERSURE AND FERGOOD.

In my day as a DI Field First Sgt. He would have gotten a good tongue lashing and required to give me a minimum of 25 to 50 pushups. On bivouac he would have been required to dig a 6' cube trash pit. My day as a DI was in 1952-53 dealing with 250 draftees per 8 week cycle and I was only an acting Corporal. I got high marks for the company, best on Post two times in 14 months.

While I would not physically respond, I would send them to Mast.

I heard my Dad, a mustang Navy Commander and former enlisted pilot mention this incident. He was the XO of a Squadron based on a Naval Air Station. He had a very junior enlisted man tell him he wasn't going to do something he was assigned to do and Dad asked him what he wanted to do for the day. The man replied "Nuthin!". It. was a sunny summer California day.Now, my Dad had enlisted in the 30's and I know he had held the rank of CPO although he never lost his wartime commission. Dad told him to report back wearing his dress blue uniform (this would have been the late 40's). Dad took the man down to the hangar deck and had him stand midway between the two side f the open end of the hangar, Dad told him he was rot stand at attention (this was in the sun) and salute anyone he needed to salute, but otherwise too do norhing. I head in that same discussion that Dad could see him from his office and did go down below to check on hims and govbe him a head and water break . He said he had no more trouble from him.

any answer that I give would be based on my "generation" of NCO's and would not be allowed today with these cupcakes! so i'll pass on this question.

Yes,you must show leadership by dismissing the remaining troops and keeping private dipshit for a private reaming followed by a counseling session that could lead to an article 15 for disobeying orders and insubordination! This isn't the army that cares if you have a date tonight! Uphold the standard!

PV2 Dumbass would;
1. Push until you get tired
2. Dig a hole
3. Fill sandbags
4. Volunteer to sweep the entire motor pool
5. DA form 4856 (for disrespect and disobedience)
I almost forgot my favorite: front-back-go...

I had this occur a few times in my career, one of first thoughts when I hear things like this going on is that it needs to be nipped in the bud. There is a saying that you praise in public and chew them out when possible in private. This applies to not only the service but any job. The few times this occured to me, which it has happened to probably every leader.

I treated each situation based on the person and the issue at hand. Sometimes there may be things going on at home that is causing the SM to act out of the norm. Just remember that we all are human, sometimes when the stress gets tough and you do not have not lived through all the life curve balls it can be tough.

For example I had one SM that smarted off to his Section Chief as we were in the field training when I was the PLT SGT. I overheard this comment, at first the Section Chief handled it what appeared to be fine. But later that day, I made it a point to take time to have a heart to heart chat with this SM.

I made it clear when I spoke with this SM that I was only chatting as a man to man and not in regards to the comments that I witnessed earliered that day. I just wanted to find out if everything was going on fine with them.

I learned by having this man to man chat that his mother had terminal illiness that he just learned about and he was not sure how to cope with everything. It is in these moments that you need to use your resources as a leader to help them cope. Not just to be their to chew them out and reinforce the standards. Granted as a NCO we are expected to uphold the standards and be the backbone.

But there are times that you will need to step out of the hardass mode , and be that big brother/sister or even father/mother role model for your people.

Sometimes as leaders you have to wear many hats and it some times, it may even mean that you have to offer a shoulder to lean on. Share a story with each other about life or just talk about some hobby or favorite thing that you like.

Just remember that young PVT if you take that time learn about them may someday be a CSM or even a Unit Commander. Mentor them, don't coddle them, train them to the standards and remind them of the rules and regs.

If you can do all this with all your SM's you will leave your mark on the next generation of leaders.

Hope that this helps

I was conducting a test and walked into the darkroom just to check on my class. A young sailor decided to tell me to get the f___ out of his darkroom! Well, needless to say, everyone in that darkroom had to redo their entire test because I kicked the turnaround door right out and light shone on everyone’s testing material! I had that young sailor go to my office and stand at attention until I explained to my supervisor why he was there.
I was not given the privilege of kicking him out of the Navy, but wish I had been!
A similar incident involving a young girl caught huffing in her barracks room was downplayed and I took the blame for that one and the one who should have taken the fall and thanked me for not telling on him later became the Detailer…you’re welcome Tom!
Brave command that I served and you ALL KNEW!!!!

This is easy. Tell him or her. They just earned an Article-15. And they are to report to thier duty station I just assigned to them. And will be getting informed of when and where to report for the reading of such action. Disrespect to an NCO. Will not be tolerated. And go on with it.

As a 1SGT I would have the leadership team stand fast a d follow me to the office. I would invite the Plt Leader to attend. I would ask if this is an ongoing problem or does this soldier need special attention. Insist on a written plan for the Pvt. then I would have a little talk to the NCO,s about my expectation on there leadership style.

Where has our military gone for some young shit bird to even think he can say such things and it’s okay? Next stop would be, Section Commander, with shit bird, his supervisor and me. Shit bird would receive a position on the “goon squad” until his discharge was official. No excuse for this type of disrespect. If shit bird can’t follow orders, then he is a detriment to his uniform, especially during a war time. Time to thin the herd before the shit hits the fan in real life.

These comments are funny
The only thing that needs to happen is a swift knife hand spittle in the face and instant physical destruction

Remove him from the formation to an office scenario setting and let him know hos the "Bear reacts in the woods". Once then he is headed for "Office Hours" for insubordination. Give me a break, the tail wagging the dog will not make a winning team.

pushups a lot

The "School of The Soldier" was normally effective especially while everyone else was on pass. The 1SG and the CSM could also be quite inventive where the objective was to get an errant soldier's attention, versus formal charges.

Busted in rank, brig time, one way ticket home, and a record that will follow him even after he dies!

PVT A$$hole has just stood up to an E5. That takes a certain amount of courage (or insanity...but let's be generous here). Something like that might have value if it is correctly managed and aimed. Clearly, aiming it at the E5 in the chain is not good.

So, let's see about managing it and getting it vectored into something the Service can use.
Step One: Completely agree with dismissing all except PVT A$$hole and Squad Leader, thereof.
Step Two: Completely agree with conversation as mentioned (see discussion above, thanks to GySgt Kenneth Pepper).
Step Three: Remind PVT A$$hole that his Unit, and Leadership, thereof, are NOT his enemy. We all want PVT A$$hole to succeed. PVT A$$hole does seem to have some balls, and we would like to see them used against the ENEMY, not his own unit.
Step Four: PVT A$$hole gets to chose. Get his rear en moving, as directed, or see thedoor.

Yikes! Disobey a lawful order, malingering and insubordination! Pretty serious stuff. Article 15.

I’m an old Vietnam Combat Infantry Recon Rat. Got my training and experience before the Army became “Pussified”. Everyone looking to “correct” someone else for stupid shit. A little “behind the barracks” education worked every time stateside. In Nam, you could experience very severe consequences for that kind of response. In general, yakking back at an NCO was a VERY bad idea. If the NCO was the recognized asshole, he could be scheduling himself a blanket party. Things were taken care of in-unit, stateside or in theater. But this was a tip-of-the-spear combat unit. Don’t comply, you (or we) could die. If you were told to burn the shit pits, or crawl into a suspected VC village, both commands held equal weight. It wasn’t a “Job”, we were all part of a well-trained, well-oiled military machine. Sent to recon, observe and report, kill only when necessary. Captured VC, or even village chiefs, were intelligence troves. it was done quietly and efficiently. Sent to contact and neutralize, it was done with the same efficiency. THAT was the job. And we were excellent at it. The military is designed to kill people and blow shit up, better than the other guy.
Disobeying a direct order to, for example, adjust or use a drone attack in today’s Army could be just as fatal to a team like mine (or worse) as hesitating to take out an enemy up close and personal.

Rank needs respect; obedience needs priority in today’s Army. It’s a JOB okay, but with extraordinary requirements and commitment!