Posted on Oct 16, 2016
How would you react to an E2 who "smart mouths" you in formation?
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Here's the background. You're a senior E5. Your troops are in formation and you're handing out work for the day. You hand out an assignment to a fresh E2 with less than a year in and only a few months at your command. They blatantly complain and tell you to choose someone else. You calmly tell them they will do this task and they tell you to shove it and give it to someone else. How do you react?
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Posted 9 y ago
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Ummmmm....... There was no such answer as no! Are you kidding me? The military has become a joke if an E2 even thinks about saying no! I don't care what the crap happened at home or anywhere else! You do as told! If the E2 is having problems they should talk to someone. But to openly deny to do the job is insubordination! Smoke them. And if that doesn't work they don't need to be in the military. Somebody's life could be dependent on this E2 and they just can't be counted on!
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I’m a bit stunned by the comments made by some. Such blatant insubordination is beyond tolerable. If allowed it will render the unit incapable of fulfilling a mission where life and death are on the line. The private involved should be told he is under arrest and others ordered to keep him were directed until military police are present to jail him. The appropriate discipline would be a Special Courts Martial.
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SSG Bill McCoy
Respectfully, he cannot be "arrested;" not by an enlisted soldier/NCO. He can only be "apprehended," which, I know is almost pure semantics, but declaring him, "under arrest," can thwart a case. Besides, the Military Police would be very UNLIKELY to get involved based on the E-5's desires, and would consider it a UNIT problem. They certainly would not, "jail him."
All that aside, it's a PV2 and NOT what's termed a "seasoned soldier." Almost by their nature, young soldiers are ... what? Stupid? Naïve? Well, let's just say they're inexperienced and gullible to what barracks lawyers have told them. Finally, it's not a combat situation from what the narrative says, so it's really not that critical in a garrison situation. Verbal, and/or written counselling is the appropriate response and some extra duty.
All that aside, it's a PV2 and NOT what's termed a "seasoned soldier." Almost by their nature, young soldiers are ... what? Stupid? Naïve? Well, let's just say they're inexperienced and gullible to what barracks lawyers have told them. Finally, it's not a combat situation from what the narrative says, so it's really not that critical in a garrison situation. Verbal, and/or written counselling is the appropriate response and some extra duty.
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Lt Col Timothy Cassidy-Curtis
David, your comments are well taken. Your intent is valid and the actions you recommended are not unwarranted.
With all that said, I prefer to see if anything more could do to resolve the matter in favor of unit effectiveness. I recommend my comments, above.
With all that said, I prefer to see if anything more could do to resolve the matter in favor of unit effectiveness. I recommend my comments, above.
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I Know What I'd Do, But Here's MY Question;
What Was YOUR Response & What Did YOU Do.?
NO E-3 Should Be ALLOWED To Talk Like That To An E-5
And Even THINK "He Might Get Away With It"...
REGARDLESS Of ANY Excuse, What-So-Ever!!
What Was YOUR Response & What Did YOU Do.?
NO E-3 Should Be ALLOWED To Talk Like That To An E-5
And Even THINK "He Might Get Away With It"...
REGARDLESS Of ANY Excuse, What-So-Ever!!
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As a TSGT, I would immediately address the E2s shortcomings. As a naval officer, I would have my CPO address the problem.
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Some of these questions/situations posted here just make me scratch my head and say, you have got to be shitting me.
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Blanket party at 2am after having everyone else but said idiot soldier do one hundred pushups each while he doesn't and make it clear to them why they are being punished instead of him...today that's probably not an option...but in my day it was...
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I'd drop them in front leaning rest for the duration of the formation and then we would have a talk about what their problem is.
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All NCOs that are worth anything know that you have them stand fast after formation with a team leader or battle buddy. Then you use your comand voice and attempt to explain, without profanity, what there duty is. If it is a first offense, give them extra duty following the task originally chosen. After that, if it continues, you inform team leader that they need to get the soilder in line - if you are the team leader, after every one is away you calmly give them a chance to correct their attitude or smoke them. Ar 15, comes next and after that it is a crazy system that follows...
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He must have liked being an E-1. Presto. He’s an E-1 again. Perhaps he will acquire some self discipline. There’s always a 5 mile run just for fun before anyone else is out of their rack. There are lots of ways to make him see the error of his ways.
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