Posted on Jun 12, 2019
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We have a new 1SG and new commander. The 1SG noticed one day that only 5 people in the whole company showed up to PT. Now he put out to all the platoon Sergeants that everyone must show up to PT at either the 0530 formation or the 1600 formation.

However, my section is the only one in the hospital that has a 1600-0000 shift. I am being told by my first line that the 1SG says that I have to be at the morning formation, no exceptions.

I don’t want to sound like I’m whining but at the same time it’s unfortunate that I have to explain to myself as to why this isn’t right.

As a junior enlisted I do feel stuck.

How do I bring this issue up and solve this effectively and professionally?
Also: Do you know of any Army Regulations that can support anything?
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SSG James Mielke
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1) Welcome to the Army, Buttercup. Suck it up and drive on.
2) Get your 4 hours of sleep, do your PT, then go back to sleep if you are allowed.
3) If you are not allowed to get more beauty sleep, refer to #1.
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PFC David Foster
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Edited 4 y ago
I remember seeing some pretty rough mornings after drinking that strong German beer until closing time and then trying to do the Wednesday morning 5 mile run.... All the other days it was only a two mile run and doing that hungover was standard procedure, but after getting soused before the Wednesday 5 miler was always painful. I was so sick a couple of times, to the point of dying, I dropped out blaming it on my bum knee... There was really no getting out of it beforehand lol.... Sound off! Oh, and wth, 4 or 5 hours of sleep would have been a good nights sleep lol..... I'm talking get home at 3 and up at 5.....
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MSgt J D McKee
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I'm so glad I no longer have to put up with the whims of idiots proving a point, that point usually being how important they are.
It's a hospital whomever it is works at. Not everyone has to be hardcore like front line infantry, SEALs and pilots. I would personally prefer rested, happy, non-resentful and not pissed off at the world in general junior enlisted looking after me If I were in the hospital. Instead of boosting someone's ego, or putting somebody's stamp on the situation, in the middle of their night.

I don't really care if they are in tip top shape unless they are combat medics in a war. First Sergeant undoubtedly works day shift as does the CC. I wonder how they would like having PT at 22:30 every day.

Making everyone prove they can bleed to improve one's image, either the !sgt or the CC.
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SSgt James Brasier
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0700 to 1500 is 8 house sleep...
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SSG Bill McCoy
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Go to PT ... shower then rack out for a bit. It is what it is.
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PVT Mark Whitcomb
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5 people?? ur kidding....infantry we ran 3 miles every day except Monday..we ran 5 on Monday. First Monday of the month we ran 7 in a Battalion run. that was after our morning PT. you never missed PT even if you had a broken leg. They would have remedial PT for those who were injured. I do believe the Military is still all Volenteers. You signed up for it. deal with it.
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SPC Brian Stephens
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Go to morning PT. Sleep after. When I was in, we had to run PT at 6:00 AM, M-F, unless we had sick call or a medical profile.
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SrA Doyle Durham
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You need to check your Duty Regulations. When I was Active Duty Air Force, working in the Base Hospital as an E-4, I pulled many 16-hour shifts, had time for 3 Meals & got about 4-hours of sleep each day, because the duty demanded that! No Regulations were violated & as a unit supervisor I set the example for those working in my section.
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SFC Kurt Brunken
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That bites, Are you off from 0000-1600? Sounds like work 1600-0000, sleep some, do PT, then sleep some more. BTW no one cares you are SPC(P), SPC works just fine.
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PO1 Ken Helmick
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Honestly, when I was in the fleet, those of us in the carrier's engine rooms were on a 4 and 8 watch rotation ... four hours on and eight hours off. This sounds pretty good except that I said watch rotation. In addition to those 8 hours of watches, we had our regular workday to deal with. When standing watch you monitored engine room machinery, placed equipment online and took it off, maintained operating logs, and so on. During the workday, you did preventive maintenance, repairs, cleaning, and so on. It was uncommon to ever get eight hours of sleep, and six was often a luxury. You had to make your sleep fit into the schedule -- most of us made do with two shorter periods of sleep.

That said, some commands take diligence to the level of abuse. I can remember being so tired that I once fell asleep during General Quarters -- the Lieutenant wanted to write me up but the Master Chief advised that the charge would never stick since I was standing upright at the time. The command couldn't figure out why retention was so bad....
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