I am being told to go to PT by the command on only 4-5 hours of sleep. As a junior enlisted, how do I solve this problem?

Go to PT, and when reenlistment rolls around, ask yourself if you wanna keep dealing with having to PT on small amounts of sleep.

I'm sorry. The newest army leadership value is humility. I was mistaken. They need to make empathy one too.

All of you NCO's who follow instructions blindly make me so mad. Your duty as an NCO is to tend to the needs of YOUR Soldier. True the enemy doesn't care about a schedule. But I don't see the first shift people ever doing pt at 1900 or 2300 ON A REGULAR BASIS. Could you imagine the uproar that would happen? There is a reason that the newest leadership value is empathy. Just put yourself in your Soldiers' shoes. AND DON'T BE AFRAID TO COMMUNICATE WITH YOUR HIGHERS, NCO'S! That's what the Juniors are counting on to do.

Juniors, if your NCO lacks empathy or personal courage to go to higher, tell your direct line that you intend to go up the chain. Each leader above your direct NCO should have an open door policy. If that higher says just listen to your direct line, go higher. But inform each level that you intend to go higher. 1SG's always have open door policies. Just make an appointment. You will be expected to bring your direct, so be sure to inform him/her. If 1SG says he doesn't care, inform them that you will be filing an IG complaint and actually follow through. (A lot of people threaten it but don't follow through. And they know this.)

As you can tell, I am usually not a favorite among my highers. My Soldiers come first. When I was an E5, my Soldier wanted to go against our entire command. And I was timidly by her side. I agreed with her side but thought she could just suck it up. (I never told anyone at work that though.) AND SHE ENDED UP WINNING! CSM apologized for actions of command and everything. From then on I said I would back my Soldiers if they are right as much as I could.

Good luck! Message me if you need to talk.

I know everyone is different, but I usually get less than 5 hours sleep , even if I can sleep 8 hours i sleep half that , after CQ , I wake up before noon. Just need to tough it out battle , maintenance where I'm station at work late and still have to be in formation before 0630 , be lucky you're not them lol.

During the first Persian gulf war I was stationed in Germany and we worked 18-20 hour days for almost a year. I know the war was what 7 days long. We started shipping ammo 2-3 months prior and after the war were getting the big stuff back and still shipping small arms. I would have been happy to have enough time to go to PT. I was an E4P and had 17 people below me and only got about 1or 2 days off a month and only averaged 3 hours sleep a night. My response is Suck it up buttercup!!!

Yes. You go. Period. You're in the army, not some country club.

Banging my head on my desk here - you are in fact whining - this is the military, you aren't on some sort of clock. Manage your time.

I am reading other comments on here defending the OP concerns. So if I am reading this correctly, the OP has plenty of time to get some rest after PT since he does not have to go into “work” until 1600. Adjust your sleep schedule and suck it up. When you get off work at 0000, stay up. When PT is over, go to sleep. That simple.

You do as Directed Ordered to do, Remember not complying is refusing an order, attend your PT and Formation then request to speak through the chain of Command and or NCO Support channel starting with your immediate supervisor and address your concerns, this gets documented and protects you and the Leadership and you will have your concerns documented for the record.
Now Keep in Mind that during these times and during combat 90% of Soldiers in conflict fight with minimum rest. It is the Military Nature.

Sounds similar to leadership I once had at a Support Battalion in East Fort Bliss. I would've stayed in for 10 years if it wasn't for the nonsense and toxic leadership that was present. I remember our section working 15 hours a day for a good 6 months while the rest of the battalion got Family Day, Org Day, 3 or 4 Days while we still had to work. It was exhausting and mentally challenging yes but I just drove on cuz I knew it wouldn't change. Hang in there, if you're in Conus, try to PCS to OCONUS or something. Despite myths, Korea is an awesome place to be stationed at if you're young and you don't deploy nor railhead (for deployments), and no NTC. The regulations will be there but ignored and they will do anything to prevent you from going. Our company didn't let us go to sickcall before PT and wanted us to be present at the company no matter what and then go to sickcall after formation. Hang in there I know how it feels to be junior enlisted and having those that outrank you use their powers when it's convenient for them

Change from a mini pad to a maxi pad.

Solve it by going to PT. Bring it up after the fact.

4-5 hrs. Staying in shape was number 1 priority when I was in combat .Later it will help keep the depression away. Complain now live later.

You ARE whining SNOWFLAKE! GET your SORRY ASS OUT OF THE RACK AND GET TO PT!!! Be VERY happy you are in the Army because, in the Marine Corps, someone would be throwing you and your rack out the window and then jumping on your back to get your sorry ass moving. You would then be doing PT until you drop and then for another hour more. What have you done to the US Army to ask such a pansy assed question? If you don't like it, get out and join the Girl Scouts! They have a special branch for you that you may be able to handle called the Brownies! Jesus' mother of Christ What kind of crybaby are you? Are there any Army Regulations covering this? HELL YES! It's called the UCMJ, Disobedience of a Direct Order!!!! Now gert UP or GET OUT!!!

First, you never have to worry about a question you ask on here. We share experiences and outlooks to help each other and no question is wrong if it's important to you.
It sounds like they are testing your desire to soldier. You've been in long enough to know what you are doing of you wouldn't be a Spc
So, maybe they are seeing if you got the extra drive it takes to be an NCO. That or you made someone feel butt hurt. Either way, you soldier on.
These years are going to be full of sleepless nights and doing things that you feel are unfair again xx suck it up and soldiler on. Show them you can hang and they will learn you are the real deal. Personally xx o can't recall a day in USEUR where I got an honest 8 hour's of sleep. If it's really too much then you should talk to your section chief. But you've already done the hard part, don't let a little thing like this stop you from being the troop you signed up to be.
Yer pal,

Don't know what the rules are in the Army but when I served (62-68) the only folks who got to sleep in were those who had the 2400 t0 0400 watch and then only until 0700 or 0800. For everyone else reveille went at 0530. If you are not at the 0530 PT formation and you go on duty at 1600 when do you plan to do PT? I hope that you are not trying to say that your shift doesn't need PT. Perhaps the senior individual on this shift should come up with an alternative plan to present to your 1st Sergeant.

You have to remember the military is not civilian life and everything has a time and a purpose.

We did PT 5 days a week Stateside, if you complained you’d be doing it weekends also. If you can’t follow those orders from your Senior NCO’s need a new line of work.

Go to PT and give it your best or be prepared for the Art 15 for failure to follow instructions/ AWOL, No place in your Army contract was there a guarantee of 8 hours sleep at any point and I would bet my last $ that if its something you want to do you would be there with less sleep and smiling the whole time...
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You do realize that the regulation just says 4hrs of sleep is mandatory, it doesn’t say it has to be consecutive. I’ve come off staff duty to go to PT before I got released for the day.
The bottom line is that the military isn’t supposed to be for cream puffs or selfish douches, however, it’s getting softer to accommodate people that should probably just get out and make room for those that want to be warfighters. I have said this to my soldiers and I’ll say it to you: I’ll bring you a straw to help you suck it up. Now take a knee, drink some water and drive on. Those are the best words of advice that I was given when I was a private.

Suck it up.
or, walk into the Commanders office and punch him/her out. Jump up on the desk and take a tremendous dump.
Wait for the MPs.
You won't have to worry about lost sleep or those nasty old PT formations.