Posted on Jan 22, 2014
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A few days ago I overheard some soldiers talking about a new NCO that just got to their company. They went on about how he did not have a deployment patch on and how they didnt feel like he was an adequate leader because he had not yet deployed. Have any of you heard this from your soldiers, and why would you choose to not wear your deployment patch?
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MAJ Health Services Systems Management
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My past 3 assignments I have reported with a sterile uniform.&nbsp; It is important for me to earn respect and acknowledgement based on the work and duties performed.&nbsp; Once the boss has a Class A/ACU inspection I then wear patches and badges.&nbsp; It shows some humility and my desire to earn respect based on performance rather than letting previous career opportunities speak for my competence.<br>
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MAJ Byron Oyler
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Each situation can have its own merits and detractions. I had a CO one time (now a BG) that said, 'oh you have not deployed.' I have worn it everyday since then. Too many are quicker to judge when you do not have than do. This will change as more vets get out and juniors replace them.
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SGT Team Leader
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Did i earn it Yes, am i gonna wear it yes. Do i still give another soldier that hasn't deployed respect regardless of rank yes.
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LTC Ray B. (Ret)
LTC Ray B. (Ret)
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Previous experience and performance does speak of respect and proficiency already earned
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CPT William Jones
CPT William Jones
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On the matters of bling on the uniform I encouraged my sone while he was a company Grade Officer to wear his to help people understand he may know what he is talking about in those planning meetings etc. the bling included CIB, Pilot wings, and Parachute wings.He should know about planning and whats needed for an air assult operation literaly frum the ground up. Oh, I had over 32 months inRVN as a Combat Engineer
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Perhaps he was just promoted to SGT based on merit and hadn't had the opportunity to deploy yet. &nbsp;Deployment experience isn't the only adequate indicator of leadership ability, and anyone who tells you otherwise is sadly mistaken. &nbsp;
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SFC Retired
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I couldn't agree with you more, Sir.
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1SG Steven Stankovich
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<p>I wear my patch from my first deployment.&nbsp; I wear it because I am damn proud of my Soldiers that I served with on that deployment (Alpha Troop, 3-4 CAV, 4th Platoon).&nbsp; I&nbsp;keep in touch with all of my guys from back then.&nbsp; Our unit has some rich history&nbsp;with valorous duty during Vietnam.&nbsp; We actually had the Alpha Troop 3/4&nbsp;CAV guidon that they carried during Vietnam with us in Afghanistan.&nbsp; Very proud of those guys and that unit.</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>I do not wear it&nbsp;as some sort of "validation of adequacy" from subordinates, peers or seniors.&nbsp; A patch does not provide that.&nbsp; </p>
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PVT Jay Gage
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Half assed
Full blast
ALL CAV.
I however wear the HANG patch cause i was attached to them first. Lol.
Love me some history rich 3/4 cavalry.
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If you have deployed, do you choose to wear your deployment patch or not?
SGT Michael Glenn
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I had a very good friend I met in Korea..was a SPC... craziest dude you ever wanted to meet and the coolest.He never spoke about past units and when he wore his greens it was barren of anything but the basic items. Watching him one had the feeling something was amiss because of the way he carried himself with everything he did. The day he left the unit he waltzed into the company CQ wearing his greens and man was it loaded !!! AA, AB, Ranger tab, German shutzenshnuer,too many ribbons to count to include purple heart and a lot of stars on many ribbons. He had a 3 ring binder in his hand and was approached by the CO and a few LT's who immediately proceeded to grill him about this sudden change. I watched the disgust in my commanders eyes as this SPC calmly laid the binder on the desk and said very calmly " read em and weep sir". he had documentation for everything! When he was asked why he never let anyone know he replied that he didnt feel like the unit was worth a plug nickle and was glad to be leaving to a real unit. He went on to say that from what he had experienced/saw he chose to not let it be known as the commander always had a way of calling people out to do bs stuff if they were "stacked" which was true.... I guess there are two sides to every coin.
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CSM Charles Hayden Passed 7/29/2025
CSM Charles Hayden Passed 7/29/2025
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SGT Michael Glenn, Way to GO! Years ago my organization had a standard issue, as usual, sorta mean cook. One Saturday AM in 1955, "Riley" appeared in a unit formation. He was wearing a Silver Star, of course we we much more deferential to Riley, 'the Cook' after that!
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I personally have a choice of two. The 173rd or the 82nd. I would never wear the 82nd combat patch even if my life depended on it. The 173rd will always be represented on my uniform. In regards to your question some soldiers may not have pride in their unit that they deployed with.
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PV2 Abbott Shaull
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So I take it was with the 173 that you got the 1st Combat patch?
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CW2 Joseph Evans
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Depends on the unit... There is a unit I have deployed with that had it been the only unit I deployed with, I would never wear a combat patch.
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There could be a variety of reasons why a person chooses not to wear their combat patch. War effects us all in a different manner and who knows what that NCO has experienced while deployed if deployed. I wear the combat patch of the unit in which I endured alot with. Not out of disrepect of any other units I have deployed with but that unit holds a special place in my heart. I will never forget the things we endured during those two deployements.

 

As for Soldiers, they should drive on and listen to the leaders that lead them. I deployed to combat for the first time in 2005. However, I was recruiting for four years prior to that. A combat patch does not say that a person is the best leader. Plus the harsh reality is not everyone that's wearing a combat patch actually saw combat. There are a select few that can say yes I have been fired at and I fired back.

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MSG William Wold
MSG William Wold
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Bill Cosby in the 60's 70's joked about combat stuff. Get this rank off of me, and don't be in the same position in a squad as the enemy knows which one is the one in charge, and which one is the radioman. Also the medic, trying to sandpaper off the red cross. Hey, I'll trade you this helmet and a shot of morphine for yours. It was funny till I was actually there in person; but I understood the enemy wasn't dumb. They made something lethal out of our throw away stuff. Almost like the idea of throwing a grenade at someone, they pull the pin and throw it back at you. There was a long time between the end of Vietnam and the startup of actual conflict deployments again. Lots of military had it pretty easy for a lot of years; and they lost a lot of experienced combat soldiers to show them the ropes.
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SGT Chris Hill
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Those Soldiers should be verbally counseled about how other units operate, I for instance was in a unit for 4 years straight, same people, same leadership, just different faces here and there. We never deployed, and we all had great NCO's and officers, but our unit just wasn't going to be deployed, other than BN rotations to Korea and back conus. Wearing a patch doesn't effect leadership ability and those Soldiers should be taught that. That's what develops poisonous leadership and unfortunately not everyone will be deployed so we as leaders cannot teach nor allow soldiers to feel that a leader not wearing a combat patch is less of a leader. How would those soldiers feel if that NCO had a EIB or ranger tab and told them and other leaders that they're not real leaders because they don't have what he has? That would begin a whole other debate
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MSG William Wold
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Edited 11 y ago
Long time and far far away, I went to Vietnam. We wore the leaning outhouse patch where I was. Then we all went to the USARV patch just before I was sent back to the states. I call it the "Used to be patch". Sounded similar and it no longer exists. That was on my shoulder till the day I left service, 33 years later. The last 15 or so no one knew what it was. Most of my watercraft unit was deployed to Kuwait for pre-staging equipment; I was left home to mind the store; I don't wear anything for that because I didn't deploy though I was activated for rear detachment, then VA finally caught up with the Vietnam paperwork and did something with it, then that made me non deployable and was discharged. Don't know what they do now or how the new "work" or combat uniform works or what silly acronym that have come up with this time . Don't rightly care either, I finally got my Reserve retirement 3 years ago.
Fun part after 30 was getting enough longevity stripes in a row on one sheet to get them sewed on my class A's, with short arms, and MSG rank, they darn near collided..
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COL Charles Williams
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Yes, and Yes. I have also worn sterile uniforms. I am proud of all the units I have served with in combat, and all the Soldiers I served with. It is also a testament to those who gave their last full measure of devotion.

If I was king, I would do away with combat patches and badges on the field uniform.
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