Posted on Jan 18, 2019
If you served in Viet Nam, have your feelings about US involvement changed or evolved? If so, how? What’s changed for you, or what hasn’t?
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I returned home in 1972. Though I remained in the service, I also reengaged civilian life. I went to college and faced many of the negative pressures that society, in general, exhibited back then towards the country’s military. No one said “Thank You” until 1983. I didn’t visit “The Wall” until 1997. And I did not become anti-involvement until the ousting of Hussein in 1991, became the Southwest Asian outhouse quagmire that it now is today. What a fucking mess that is.
When I think of Viet Nam, I will always think that we bottom-of-the-ladder people did our best and tried to help some of the people a lot of the time. I know today that we were lied to by the highest brass and the top leadership in Washington. Politics and politicians got a lot of good boys killed in Southeast Asia for the sake of politics, and reelection potential, or “to save face.” Goddamn those people to Hell for what they did. I lost several friends in that war, and I will never forgive the people ultimately responsible for their deaths.
Today, it’s Southwest Asia, and we are engaged in another, mainly, political quagmire. Thousands more American men and, this time around, several women have been killed, and for what? Are we any closer to an end, political or military? I don’t know whom to believe, whom to trust? I know one thing about these two conflicts that is uncannily alike: our enemy in Viet Nam dressed and looked just like those we were trying to help. In Southwest Asia, the exact same issue has gotten more American lives lost in similar fashion.
Like a lot teenagers in their day, I, too, had all the answers when I was eighteen. Today, staring my seventies in the face, I realize I’ve never been as smart as I’ve been just opinionated.
Back to the point, have you changed your thoughts about or your opinions of your service in Viet Nam?
When I think of Viet Nam, I will always think that we bottom-of-the-ladder people did our best and tried to help some of the people a lot of the time. I know today that we were lied to by the highest brass and the top leadership in Washington. Politics and politicians got a lot of good boys killed in Southeast Asia for the sake of politics, and reelection potential, or “to save face.” Goddamn those people to Hell for what they did. I lost several friends in that war, and I will never forgive the people ultimately responsible for their deaths.
Today, it’s Southwest Asia, and we are engaged in another, mainly, political quagmire. Thousands more American men and, this time around, several women have been killed, and for what? Are we any closer to an end, political or military? I don’t know whom to believe, whom to trust? I know one thing about these two conflicts that is uncannily alike: our enemy in Viet Nam dressed and looked just like those we were trying to help. In Southwest Asia, the exact same issue has gotten more American lives lost in similar fashion.
Like a lot teenagers in their day, I, too, had all the answers when I was eighteen. Today, staring my seventies in the face, I realize I’ve never been as smart as I’ve been just opinionated.
Back to the point, have you changed your thoughts about or your opinions of your service in Viet Nam?
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Short history note/lesson here. During WWII, Vietnam was held by the Japanese, and was actually an ally to the US. After the war, Ho Che Minh basically took control, and designated N. VM as a communist country. In the 50's NVM wanted total control of Vietnam, and conflict broke out between the French controlled south and the North. The S. Vietnamese asked the US for assistance in stopping the north from taking total control. So. Yes, I am a Vietnam veteran, having spent 2 yrs from 1969-1971. I believe that our involvement at this time was just. To stop the spread of communism. I still feel this way today. However, there were so many things that were so wrong during this time, 1959-1975. Politicians need to stay the hell out of fighting a war that they know nothing about. In this war, as in many others, there are many soldiers with 'stars' on their shoulders that are/were up close and personal with the war(s). They are there, they see what is going on, they know what needs to be done. Let them do their job. The people in Washington intervened in making battle field decisions from their desks. If Washington would have stayed out of the decision making, the war would not have lasted as long, and the results would have been different. (NVM was ready to sign a peace accord, but when the US stopped the bombing of NVM, they withdrew from the peace process, reorganized, and starting advancing again.) During the time of the war, America was going through growing pains again. Another 'movement'. The peace and hippy revolution. 'Make love, not war.' "War is not healthy for all living things'. The American people were caught up in the peace movement, and wanted the war to stop. They were fed propaganda videos about US service members committing mass murders, killing babies, etc. Even back in the 60's, there was fake news. Videos that were shown were cut and spliced together, and people believed everything that was shown to them. The problem was that when they saw these videos, they put the cause on the American serviceman, and retaliated toward them when we came home. Yes, I was spit on, called all sorts of names, had my luggage knocked out of my hands while going through an airport. Since this time, I believe that Americans have matured, and now know the truth behind the propaganda and lies that were told. I stayed in the Army for 24 yrs, and I see the difference of the way the servicemen are treated today when they return. People need to understand this: The service members themselves do not start wars, politicians do. The service members go to stop the wars.
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Korea and Viet Nam were prime examples of the people on the ground not given the authority to run and win the war. Politicians were running the war from thousand of miles away. It is happening again in Iraq and Afghanistan. Give military the tools and the right to fight and wars will be won. I have never been ashamed of my time in Nam and never will be. I still think we screwed South Viet Nam.
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The South Vietnamese proved that they could stand up to the NVA in 1972 with the help of US air power. The Democratic Congress took their funding under President Ford. The Democrats lost the war and not the US troops. Those congressmen have no remorse to what they did to that nation. Talk to the relatives of those men who went though the "re-education camps". Tragic.
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Sgt Bob Leonard
Before you remain parked on the assumption that the Democratic Congress took away South Vietnam's funding, please consider...
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Agreement on Ending the War and Restoring Peace in Vietnam (Paris, 27 January
1973)
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Article 2
A cease-fire shall be observed throughout South Vietnam as of 2400 hours G.M.T., on January 27, 1973.
At the same hour, the United States will stop all its military activities against the territory of the Democratic Republic of Vietnam by ground, air and naval forces, wherever they may be based...
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Article 4
The United States will not continue its military involvement or intervene in the internal affairs of South Vietnam.
Article 5
Within sixty days of the signing of this Agreement, there will be a total withdrawal from South Vietnam of troops, military advisers, and military personnel, including technical military personnel and military personnel associated with the pacification program, armaments, munitions, and war material of the United States and those of the other foreign countries mentioned in Article 3 (a). Advisers from the above mentioned countries to all paramilitary organizations and the police force will also be withdrawn within the same period of time.
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In plain language, the United States will get out and stay out of SEA. This Treaty was not negotiated by Congress. It was negotiated by Henry Kissinger under the authority of the very Republican Pres. Richard Nixon.
https://www.cvce.eu/content/publication/2001/10/12/656ccc0d-31ef-42a6-a3e9-ce5ee7d4fc80/publishable_en.pdf
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Agreement on Ending the War and Restoring Peace in Vietnam (Paris, 27 January
1973)
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Article 2
A cease-fire shall be observed throughout South Vietnam as of 2400 hours G.M.T., on January 27, 1973.
At the same hour, the United States will stop all its military activities against the territory of the Democratic Republic of Vietnam by ground, air and naval forces, wherever they may be based...
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Article 4
The United States will not continue its military involvement or intervene in the internal affairs of South Vietnam.
Article 5
Within sixty days of the signing of this Agreement, there will be a total withdrawal from South Vietnam of troops, military advisers, and military personnel, including technical military personnel and military personnel associated with the pacification program, armaments, munitions, and war material of the United States and those of the other foreign countries mentioned in Article 3 (a). Advisers from the above mentioned countries to all paramilitary organizations and the police force will also be withdrawn within the same period of time.
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In plain language, the United States will get out and stay out of SEA. This Treaty was not negotiated by Congress. It was negotiated by Henry Kissinger under the authority of the very Republican Pres. Richard Nixon.
https://www.cvce.eu/content/publication/2001/10/12/656ccc0d-31ef-42a6-a3e9-ce5ee7d4fc80/publishable_en.pdf
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My feelings about having served in Vietnam have not changed SCPO (Join to see). In fact Id do it all over again. I too returned in 1972 at 19. I dont know where you got 1983 for your first thank you for your service. I never heard it until I was retired and wearing my uniform down to 911 in NYC as I do every year with the FDNY. I think what has changed is that the American public realized they sold us down the tubes and they are trying to make up for it now. I've always supported our military and I always will. Its our leadership that needs to change.
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I served in 1970 and left active service in 1972, morale was at the bottom and veterans of the war felt like second class citizens. No one wanted to talk about your time overseas, including the VA. A lot of veterans of Viet Nam either ended up in jail or homeless and most because there was no PTSD recognized. It took a while for me but ultimately ended up back on active duty and ANG and did three tours in Iraq. Retired as CSM in 2010
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You have my unwavering admiration for your perseverance and good old fashioned stick-to-itive-ness. CSM Thomas Ray. Thank you for your service.
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I was raised & taught to respect our governmental leaders but that began changing after I arrived in Vietnam. When I went to Vietnam in 1968 consensus was that we were there to fight communism & support the S. Vietnamese government. After being in country for less than a month & working with the ARVN & S. Vietnamese it was very clear we should not have been there. The people just wanted to be left alone (no government from Saigon or VC. They just wanted their hootch, raise some chickens, pigs, etc. & grow some crops) with no outside interference. I saw S. Vietnamese corruption firsthand (ARVN looting businesses after the NVA were cleared out of Loc Ninh. This was done on the orders of the provincial chief). I also saw excellent as well as poor US leadership. From company grade leaders up to MG Keith Ware (1st Div) who were outstanding. On the other side had a full colonel read me the riot act because I called in arty on French Mgr's house as we began taking direct recoilless rifle from this house. The arty boys really came through & put the 1st rounds through the roof. No more recoilless fire & none of my guys were wounded. The colonel said that the US government had to make reparations ($10,000 in cash & 20,000 sandbags) to the French (Michelain rubber operation). Wonder where the sandbags went. After the colonel finished his tirade & left, his sergeant major winked at me & quietly said "well done" before he left. My men were a lot more important than some Frenchy's roof.
It was many years later later that it was revealed that our president's & staff had lied to the American people. So many soldiers were needlessly killed because of these politicians. Now I trust politicians as far as I can throw them.
I was fortunate during my tour in that I worked on some community self help projects such as building roads in the delta, bridges in III Corps, rebuilt town wells, etc.
It was many years later later that it was revealed that our president's & staff had lied to the American people. So many soldiers were needlessly killed because of these politicians. Now I trust politicians as far as I can throw them.
I was fortunate during my tour in that I worked on some community self help projects such as building roads in the delta, bridges in III Corps, rebuilt town wells, etc.
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I served as an AF ER medic for 4 years, 3 @ Andrews AFB. I am proud of my MOS. I deeply regret this Conflict. Too much physical and psychosocial trauma. With the GI bill I obtained an advanced degree in clinical psychology. I've conducted psychotherapy w/ many of my comrades, esp. field medics. The loss of life is staggering. And more civilians were killed during the Conflict than were combatants on both sides.
We were also betrayed by 5 of our presidents BTW. My C-in-C was Richard Nixon. In 1972 he froze all pay advancements and military promotions.
So now in my retirement I provide clinical consultations at no costs to fellow vets of all conflicts even a few from Korea. I conduct research on combat trauma and have 3 articles published in this regard.
I also remain very concerned about the high suicides rates in vets despite the VA efforts to contain this epidemic.
Rich
We were also betrayed by 5 of our presidents BTW. My C-in-C was Richard Nixon. In 1972 he froze all pay advancements and military promotions.
So now in my retirement I provide clinical consultations at no costs to fellow vets of all conflicts even a few from Korea. I conduct research on combat trauma and have 3 articles published in this regard.
I also remain very concerned about the high suicides rates in vets despite the VA efforts to contain this epidemic.
Rich
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SSgt Richard Kensinger
SCPO (Join to see) - I did not. I have conducted psychotherapy w/ those who did and even a few vets dating back to Korea.
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I couldn't understand why Uncle Sam was sending us a thousands of miles away from home when their was all the communist party and the Nazi party in the US!
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Hell, I wish those had been our only enemies. There were pitched battles all over the U.S. between usn's and them Pinko Hippies!!!
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