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What does everyone think about all of the SPCs and SGTs on here with (P) after their rank? I won't quote AR 25-50, I just want your thoughts.
Posted >1 y ago
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SGM (P) good for him. If you find the profile please congratulate him in his promotion to whatever he thinks he will get promoted.
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SFC (Join to see)
SGM (P) means he is a Sergeant Major on a staff, He wants a Command Sergeant Major slot
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(P) has many functions and in the case of warrants, it gets me on the deployment plane sooner because a CW4P is equal to a CW5 which gets on with the O-6 and CSM! There are many other uses for the P such as weight for PCS and housing lists. As for memos, if signing a memo (P) is used if you are in a promotable status. Additionally you can be rated against the next grade for NCOER and OERs.
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CW3 (Join to see)
You ought not sign with the (P) after your rank if you're not actually in the higher position.
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I'll have to find him again. I just saw him in the update feed when he was updating his information. It was a red flag for a faker.
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CPT Aaron Kletzing
Ugh, I see now. Probably a user just erroneously inputting information. Anyway, I don't think this is the Broken Arrow situation people are making it out to be!
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I am not going to lie, it is something of an inside joke between a few of us Lieutenants who are set to promote next week.
For formal correspondence it is completely improper.
For formal correspondence it is completely improper.
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CPT Aaron Kletzing
Yes, I think everyone would agree on 2LT(P) and 1LT(P) being overkill, and how people see it that way and thus don't (or shouldn't) do it. I'm trying to understand where the unrest is coming from on the enlisted side...are there ranks on the enlisted side that, according to regs, aren't supposed to have a (P) status?
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CPT (Join to see)
Sir,
I promise my (P) will go away next week... :-)
As far as on here, I don't think there is an issue since this is not official correspondence. After all RallyPoint is not affiliated with the DoD. So there is no issue with having the (P) here.
I promise my (P) will go away next week... :-)
As far as on here, I don't think there is an issue since this is not official correspondence. After all RallyPoint is not affiliated with the DoD. So there is no issue with having the (P) here.
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Based on AR 25-50 an argument could be made that you are enhancing the image of the Army by including the (P) in Army correspondence. I look at it like a 2LT saluting a 1LT we know its the right thing to do but they (majority) still don't do it. Putting the "P" after rank we know it should not be used (maybe) but they still do it. Actually joking aside I think it comes down to not knowing and now they have the reference they can go and read the chapter on signatures. Good observation.
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I am technically MAJ(P) having made the LTC selection list. But I would never use it. I think it is a tad pretentious, especially for a SPC.
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For SSGs, it has its uses i.e. on a Rating Scheme. The minimum AR 623-3 qualification for Senior Rater is SSG(P). Let's everyone know they are allowed to senior rate. For SPC and SGTs, with the new STEP rules, I think it makes great sense, at least in the USAR. Seats for NCOES are hard to come by and there's nothing like a P by your rank to constantly remind leadership they aren't doing enough to get this Soldier to NCOES so he/she can finally get promoted.
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They should remove it. We follow rules that are clear in black and white.
The "(P)" is incorrect in your signature. IAW AR 25-50;
(2) Do not use the “(P)” (meaning the signer is promotable) as part of a signature block in Army correspondence unless it benefits or enhances the image of the Army. However, it may be used in an address for such things as congratulatory notes. Examples are—
(a) A lieutenant colonel promotable, filling a colonel position. The position requires the signature of a colonel or higher. This situation would constitute using the (P) in the signature block.
(b) Enhancing or promoting a particular program or issue if it is supported by a potentially higher grade military individual. It may carry more clout if a brigadier general select issues a directive over a colonel.
The "(P)" is incorrect in your signature. IAW AR 25-50;
(2) Do not use the “(P)” (meaning the signer is promotable) as part of a signature block in Army correspondence unless it benefits or enhances the image of the Army. However, it may be used in an address for such things as congratulatory notes. Examples are—
(a) A lieutenant colonel promotable, filling a colonel position. The position requires the signature of a colonel or higher. This situation would constitute using the (P) in the signature block.
(b) Enhancing or promoting a particular program or issue if it is supported by a potentially higher grade military individual. It may carry more clout if a brigadier general select issues a directive over a colonel.
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It isn't a rank, and really shouldn't be used. That is inline with people using "select" in the Air Force.
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Personnel should not use the (P) identification unless they are on the list for consideration for promotion to a higher grade. Those that are actually permitted to use the (P) identification are SSG thru MSG and 2LT thru LTG. Even then, it still should not used unless it promotes the service.
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CW3 (Join to see)
SSG(P) (Join to see) you forgot CW2 through CW4. Also, someone could be a currently serving 1SG, and be selected for promotion to SGM or CSM....
And I'd say it should not be used IN OFFICIAL CORRESPONDENCE unless it promotes the service. RallyPoint is not official correspondence.
And I'd say it should not be used IN OFFICIAL CORRESPONDENCE unless it promotes the service. RallyPoint is not official correspondence.
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SSG(P) (Join to see)
Gentlemen, I just abide by the regulations and enforce them. I don't get to pick and choose what I feel does or does not apply.
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I guess I don't have to worry about that too much since I was only (P) for a few weeks.
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I don't do it. You will know I am promotable through my actions and words.
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This comment was not intended to correct anyone. I just learned that the site puts the status there automatically, based on user info. With that being said, I would like everyone to know that I am really a CSM(P).
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CPT Aaron Kletzing
No, the site puts the status there if the USER specifically designates him/herself as Promotable, hence the (P). If you are saying the site automatically assigns (P) status without a user selecting it, then why isn't every single user showing a (P) status? ;-)
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SFC (Join to see)
Sir, as I said it is automatically generated based off of user info. Another words if a user puts that he is promotable in his information, the site puts the (P) there.
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BLUF: The Army uses the (P) to distinguish your promotion status from another's. There are some positions, schools and duties, that can only be held at certain ranks. In some cases these things can be accomplished by someone one grade lower, as long as they are promotable. Many times duty rosters and other documents will include a soldier's status, in order to meet the requirments. In my opinion, and I believe the regulations backs me up, it should not be used on Rally Point, as it serves no useful purpose.
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CPT Aaron Kletzing
SFC Land, thanks for your point. I would argue that it does serve a point, as it adds context and clarity quickly to a member's profile. For example, if I see a CPT(P) then I immediately know he/she is a very senior CPT -- which could mean a difference of 5+ years of service and tons of knowledge/experience.
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SFC (Join to see)
It may add context to a CPT, but seeing a SGT(P) tells me nothing. He could have been a SGT for two years or seven. I was unaware that the site put the status on the rank. Makes for good discussion though.
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CW3 (Join to see)
If you see a CW2(P) here on RallyPoint, it tells you that they've been a CW2 for at LEAST four years, and if USAR rather than active duty, at LEAST five years. I'd say that's a useful purpose, just as in the example posted by CPT Aaron Kletzing
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Gentlemen, thanks for addressing this issue. Please help by clarifying this question: are certain Army ranks not supposed to be able to have (P) after them? Or, is the entire Army not supposed to use this anymore? I have always seen officers using this, so I assumed that this carried over to all pay grades. Is this not accurate? Thanks for your help.
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SFC (Join to see)
According to AR 25-50, Only Colonels can use it in there signature block. For anyone else, it is strictly used for something that benefits the Army i.e. duty rosters ect.
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CPT Aaron Kletzing
SSG Burns -- who is the SGM(P) individual? I can't find him/her. Please send it to me via PM if this actually exists, since it would be really unusual to actually exist (if ever). Thanks.
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