Posted on Nov 17, 2013
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What does everyone think about all of the SPCs and SGTs on here with (P) after their rank? I won't quote AR 25-50, I just want your thoughts.
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SFC Ricardo Ruiz
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SGM (P) good for him. If you find the profile please congratulate him in his promotion to whatever he thinks he will get promoted. 
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SSgt Forensic Meteorological Consultant
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I was wondering about that (P),   thanks!
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SFC First Sergeant
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SGM (P) means he is a Sergeant Major on a staff, He wants a Command Sergeant Major slot
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CW5 Sam R. Baker
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(P) has many functions and in the case of warrants, it gets me on the deployment plane sooner because a CW4P is equal to a CW5 which gets on with the O-6 and CSM! There are many other uses for the P such as weight for PCS and housing lists. As for memos, if signing a memo (P) is used if you are in a promotable status. Additionally you can be rated against the next grade for NCOER and OERs.
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CW3 Network Architect
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You ought not sign with the (P) after your rank if you're not actually in the higher position.
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SSG Robert Burns
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I'll have to find him again.  I just saw him in the update feed when he was updating his information.  It was a red flag for a faker.
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SSG Robert Burns
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I was not aware of the E-10 pay grade.
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SGT Training Management Nco/Directorate Of Training
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I don't think CSM's are promoted...lol maybe appointed.... could just be me.
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CPT Aaron Kletzing
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Ugh, I see now.  Probably a user just erroneously inputting information.  Anyway, I don't think this is the Broken Arrow situation people are making it out to be!
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SFC Cryptologic Network Warfare Specialist
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SSG Robert Burns He got an endorsement from MSG (Join to see).
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SSG Matthew Thomas
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The leader you are is more powerful than the P next to your rank. 
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SSG(P) Casualty Operations Ncoic
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So true!
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CPT Human Resources Officer
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I am not going to lie, it is something of an inside joke between a few of us Lieutenants who are set to promote next week.

For formal correspondence it is completely improper.
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CPT Aaron Kletzing
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Yes, I think everyone would agree on 2LT(P) and 1LT(P) being overkill, and how people see it that way and thus don't (or shouldn't) do it.  I'm trying to understand where the unrest is coming from on the enlisted side...are there ranks on the enlisted side that, according to regs, aren't supposed to have a (P) status?
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CPT Human Resources Officer
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Sir,

I promise my (P) will go away next week... :-)

As far as on here, I don't think there is an issue since this is not official correspondence. After all RallyPoint is not affiliated with the DoD. So there is no issue with having the (P) here.
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CW3 Network Architect
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Except from folks with nothing better to worry about. ;P
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LTC Jason Bartlett
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Based on AR 25-50 an argument could be made that you are enhancing the image of the Army by including the (P) in Army correspondence. I look at it like a 2LT saluting a 1LT we know its the right thing to do but they (majority) still don't do it. Putting the "P" after rank we know it should not be used (maybe) but they still do it. Actually joking aside I think it comes down to not knowing and now they have the reference they can go and read the chapter on signatures. Good observation. 




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LTC Hardware Test Engineer
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I am technically MAJ(P) having made the LTC selection list. But I would never use it. I think it is a tad pretentious, especially for a SPC.
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For SSGs, it has its uses i.e. on a Rating Scheme. The minimum AR 623-3 qualification for Senior Rater is SSG(P). Let's everyone know they are allowed to senior rate. For SPC and SGTs, with the new STEP rules, I think it makes great sense, at least in the USAR. Seats for NCOES are hard to come by and there's nothing like a P by your rank to constantly remind leadership they aren't doing enough to get this Soldier to NCOES so he/she can finally get promoted.
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1SG First Sergeant
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They should remove it. We follow rules that are clear in black and white.

The "(P)" is incorrect in your signature. IAW AR 25-50;

(2) Do not use the “(P)” (meaning the signer is promotable) as part of a signature block in Army correspondence unless it benefits or enhances the image of the Army. However, it may be used in an address for such things as congratulatory notes. Examples are—

(a) A lieutenant colonel promotable, filling a colonel position. The position requires the signature of a colonel or higher. This situation would constitute using the (P) in the signature block.

(b) Enhancing or promoting a particular program or issue if it is supported by a potentially higher grade military individual. It may carry more clout if a brigadier general select issues a directive over a colonel.
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TSgt David Holman
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It isn't a rank, and really shouldn't be used. That is inline with people using "select" in the Air Force.
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SSG Small Group Leader
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It's not just confined to SPC and SGT's. I've seen LT (P), SFC (P) etc.
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Sgt Packy Flickinger
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I must be missing something. I've never come across an added "P".
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SSG(P) Transportation Management Coordinator
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Personnel should not use the (P) identification unless they are on the list for consideration for promotion to a higher grade. Those that are actually permitted to use the (P) identification are SSG thru MSG and 2LT thru LTG. Even then, it still should not used unless it promotes the service.
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CW3 Network Architect
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SSG(P) (Join to see) you forgot CW2 through CW4. Also, someone could be a currently serving 1SG, and be selected for promotion to SGM or CSM....

And I'd say it should not be used IN OFFICIAL CORRESPONDENCE unless it promotes the service. RallyPoint is not official correspondence.
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SSG(P) Transportation Management Coordinator
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Gentlemen, I just abide by the regulations and enforce them. I don't get to pick and choose what I feel does or does not apply.
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SSG (ret) William Martin
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I guess I don't have to worry about that too much since I was only (P) for a few weeks.
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SSG (ret) William Martin
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I don't do it.  You will know I am promotable through my actions and words.
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SFC Prime Power Supervisor
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This comment was not intended to correct anyone. I just learned that the site puts the status there automatically, based on user info. With that being said, I would like everyone to know that I am really a CSM(P).
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CPT Aaron Kletzing
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No, the site puts the status there if the USER specifically designates him/herself as Promotable, hence the (P).  If you are saying the site automatically assigns (P) status without a user selecting it, then why isn't every single user showing a (P) status? ;-)
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SFC Prime Power Supervisor
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Sir, as I said it is automatically generated based off of user info. Another words if a user puts that he is promotable in his information, the site puts the (P) there.

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CW3 Network Architect
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It's a checkbox. You're both right. You're both pretty, too.
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SFC Prime Power Supervisor
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BLUF: The Army uses the (P) to distinguish your promotion status from another's. There are some positions, schools and duties, that can only be held at certain ranks. In some cases these things can be accomplished by someone one grade lower, as long as they are promotable. Many times duty rosters and other documents will include a soldier's status, in order to meet the requirments. In my opinion, and I believe the regulations backs me up, it should not be used on Rally Point, as it serves no useful purpose.
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CPT Aaron Kletzing
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SFC Land, thanks for your point.  I would argue that it does serve a point, as it adds context and clarity quickly to a member's profile.  For example, if I see a CPT(P) then I immediately know he/she is a very senior CPT -- which could mean a difference of 5+ years of service and tons of knowledge/experience.
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SFC Prime Power Supervisor
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It may add context to a CPT, but seeing a SGT(P) tells me nothing. He could have been a SGT for two years or seven. I was unaware that the site put the status on the rank. Makes for good discussion though.
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CW3 Network Architect
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If you see a CW2(P) here on RallyPoint, it tells you that they've been a CW2 for at LEAST four years, and if USAR rather than active duty, at LEAST five years. I'd say that's a useful purpose, just as in the example posted by CPT Aaron Kletzing
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CPT Aaron Kletzing
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Gentlemen, thanks for addressing this issue.  Please help by clarifying this question: are certain Army ranks not supposed to be able to have (P) after them?  Or, is the entire Army not supposed to use this anymore?  I have always seen officers using this, so I assumed that this carried over to all pay grades.  Is this not accurate?  Thanks for your help.
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SFC Prime Power Supervisor
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According to AR 25-50, Only Colonels can use it in there signature block. For anyone else, it is strictly used for something that benefits the Army i.e. duty rosters ect.
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SSG Robert Burns
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There is a SGM on here with a (P). That makes no sense.
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CPT Aaron Kletzing
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SSG Burns -- who is the SGM(P) individual?  I can't find him/her.  Please send it to me via PM if this actually exists, since it would be really unusual to actually exist (if ever).  Thanks.
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