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What does everyone think about all of the SPCs and SGTs on here with (P) after their rank? I won't quote AR 25-50, I just want your thoughts.
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<p>I just wanted to point out that a lot of people keep saying that AR 25-50 says that only Colonels can use the P as an identifier. That is not accurate. If you are going to site a regulation at least read the whole portion. AR 25-50 states and I quote</p><p> </p><p> </p><font face="Times New Roman" size="2"><p> </p><font face="Times New Roman" size="2"><p> </p><p align="LEFT">"(2) Do not use the “(P)” (meaning the signer is promotable) as part of a signature block in Army correspondence unless it benefits or enhances the image of the Army. However, it may be used in an address for such things as congratulatory notes. Examples are—</p></font><p align="LEFT"> </p></font><font face="Times New Roman" size="2"><font face="Times New Roman" size="2"><p align="LEFT"> </p><p align="LEFT"></p><p align="LEFT">(a) A lieutenant colonel promotable, filling a colonel position. The position requires the signature of a colonel or </p><p>higher. This situation would constitute using the (P) in the signature block."</p><p> </p><p>notice the 2 key phrases unless it benefits or enhances the image of the Army and Examples are- a lieutenant colonel.</p><p> </p><p>Sorry about that I am a stickler for if your are going to use and follow regulations use and follow the whole thing don't stop reading half way through.</p></font></font><font face="Times New Roman" size="2"><p align="LEFT"></p><p align="LEFT"></p><p align="LEFT"></p><p align="LEFT"></p><font face="Times New Roman" size="2"><p align="LEFT"></p><p align="LEFT"></p><p> </p></font></font>
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so you're saying a Sergeant that preforms as a Section Sergeant can use the (P) on the signature block when they are pulling that duty, or a SSG in a Platoon Sergeant position may use this as well?
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1SG (Join to see)
That is not what I am saying at all. I am saying that there are times and situations where the fact that someone is a (P) is necessary. I already used duty as an example. How many times have you seen certain SPC pull CQ and not others, or certain SGT pull staff duty and not others. It is because they are acting in the capacity of the next rank because they are promotable. Another really good example is Equal Opportunity Leader; to attend the class the Army says you must be an E5(P) or higher. So when I was an E5(P) the paperwork I sent required that I was addressed as such.
I am not saying that anyone should answer the phone or refer to themselves as SGT promotable Snuffy. I am saying that in some cases the (P) is needed and appropriate.
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LCpl Mark Lefler
SGT Roberts, I could be wrong but reading your example, it looks like your mixing a Rank(SGT) and a billet(platoon sgt or section SGT) where as SSG Scmidt is talking about a rank (lt col) filling in for a rank (Col).
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Where the confusion is, using the (P) that benefits the Army. A SGT(P) filling a SSG billet has no need to sign with the (P). There are no legal conciquences. It does not benefit the Army.
When a LTC(P) is filling a COL billet, he is signing official documents that require the rank of an O6. It benefits the Army. When an COL(P) is filling an O7 billet, his (P) signature gives the required weight to benefit the Army. Even when a promotable E8 is filling the billet of an E9, it benefits the Army.
Other than that, lower enlisted or company grade officers have no real need to add the (P) to the signature other than to "benefit" their egos. I know that's brash, but it's the cold hard truth.
When a LTC(P) is filling a COL billet, he is signing official documents that require the rank of an O6. It benefits the Army. When an COL(P) is filling an O7 billet, his (P) signature gives the required weight to benefit the Army. Even when a promotable E8 is filling the billet of an E9, it benefits the Army.
Other than that, lower enlisted or company grade officers have no real need to add the (P) to the signature other than to "benefit" their egos. I know that's brash, but it's the cold hard truth.
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The (P) is generated by the site. The is a check box that asks if we are promotable. If you check the box the site puts the (P) by your name. I understand what the reg says, but if the site does it when a Soldier checks a box, that they are in fact promotable, the fault seems to lie with the website not the Soldier.
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CSM David Heidke
If you are promoted into a slot and your orders haven't been cut yet, you are considered Promotable.
For instance, one of my peers was a 1SG, and he was promoted into a CSM billet. He was the selection, but the paperwork went back and forth because a period was misplaced, or the wrong serif was used on a font. But he was in the position and his troops called him CSM, so he was 1SG(P).
Here is not that big a deal. Perhaps people would think that if they were on a promotion list, they could put the (P), but you wouldn't sign correspondence that way. Only if you were in a position that you needed to, as the good 1SG (Join to see) has explained.
For instance, one of my peers was a 1SG, and he was promoted into a CSM billet. He was the selection, but the paperwork went back and forth because a period was misplaced, or the wrong serif was used on a font. But he was in the position and his troops called him CSM, so he was 1SG(P).
Here is not that big a deal. Perhaps people would think that if they were on a promotion list, they could put the (P), but you wouldn't sign correspondence that way. Only if you were in a position that you needed to, as the good 1SG (Join to see) has explained.
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Depends on the slot. I was, as a WO1, promoted into a CW2 slot, but I wasn't a WO1(P) because orders promoting me were published with a future date...my name didn't just show up on a list somewhere, like it did this past Tuesday, making me now a CW2(P).
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I like it and I don't see the harm either way. It is nice to know exactly who you are looking at or responding to. In terms of SSGs - MSGs, I think it makes a great deal of difference. Don't forget that alot of people are on here creepy stalking the promotable's in their own MOS to see what the board was looking for last year.
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This is best addressed with some research; you can start by reading AR 25-50, 6-5c(2). Granted this regulation covers written correspondance, but the inference can be made for other applications.
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This isn't an Offical site. Thus nothing posted on here is official Correspondence. Thus nothing on here falls under 25-50.
Its like asking if its OK to wear BDU's on your couch... Of course it is.
Its like asking if its OK to wear BDU's on your couch... Of course it is.
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SSG (ret) William Martin
There is always that one guy or gal; the phone rings and, "This is Staff Sergeant Promotable NCOIC of the Super Section voted number one by the Brigade Command Sergeants Majors and I won NCO of the year how may I help you sir or madam?"
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SGT Ben Keen
SSG William M....I can't believe I'm 3 months removed from this conversation but your reply is probably the best thing I read all day. I served with someone like that. As soon as she passed the board for E6, she DID answer the phone pretty much like that! All the other NCOs and Officers corrected her time and time and time again but yet she continued. The joke going around the unit was she was going to get a tattoo of E5 rank with a huge "P" right in the middle of it.
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Marines don't mess with this nonsense. We are our current rank until we are our next one.
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TSgt Joshua Copeland
Hmmm, in 16 years I have never heard it. Must be a behind the officer closed door veil thing.
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GySgt Wayne A. Ekblad
Capt Richard I P. - I recently had a Marine tell me that he was a "Staff Sergeant Select" . . . shortly thereafter I went to see if the Marine Corps rank structure had changed in recent years!
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Capt Richard I P.
GySgt Wayne A. Ekblad That Marine was a Sergeant who was just a tad too eager. Bless his Sergeant Heart.
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This is a public forum and the big majority of profiles here are from real service members but this is not a regulated by the armed forces website. So if anyone here likes to use a P or anything else good for them. I don't see anything wrong using a (P) after the rank in this website. What is your take?
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I believe the (P) shows the difference between a sham shield specialist and one that put fortht he effort to put his board packet together, study his stuff, appear before the board, and generally is just waiting on points. That speaks volumes about a Specialist. On the other hand, in the world of Signal Corp, operationally the difference between a SGT and a SSG is un-discernible and anointing yourself SGT(P) marks you in no way shape or form as special.
Bear in mind this is just my opinion, and I would always follow the regulation before my opinion.
Bear in mind this is just my opinion, and I would always follow the regulation before my opinion.
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SSG Lisa Rendina
Yes, there are certain ranks where it is appropriate to use the promotable status. Generally, this is when someone is in line to be promoted to a command position. As others have stated, there are ARs which address the appropriate situation.
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I would have to say that it may be something that comes natural. I remember when I was both a promotable SPC and SGT having the P put behind my name by my PSGs and 1SGs before I ever did it. Most of the assignments that I have been in NCOs of the next rank are always in short supply. So as soon as you go to the board and earn that P they start adding on the extra duties and responsibilities of that rank. You look at a CQ roster and wonder why you have 2 SPCs on duty. Then you put a P behind one and realize who is the CQ and who is the assistant CQ. Or you look at a PLT MTOE and wonder why that SGT has 5 other SGTs under him. Then you add that P and it all makes sense. Just an observation. I don't know how many times I got picked for an additional duty because you had to be at least E5(P) or higher. Or something like that. I would also like to add that SPCs and SGTs are not the only ones that do it. Look around rally point, army study guide you will see Senior NCOs and officers do it as well. It is just more prevalent with the junior ranks because the shear number of them.
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Good points SSG Schmidt, I also believe that if you are working in the position and promotable you should be frocked, that goes for E5-E9. It wouldn't effect the budget since you wouldn't be getting paid, so why not?
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SFC Stockton, I believe you have the RIGHT answer... but it takes far less effort to put a (P) behind a name than to fill out paperwork to frock someone, doesn't it?
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Not to mention you can only frock officers going into command positions, and SFC/MSGs going into 1SG positions, and MSG/SGMs going into a CSM position.
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I think the use of the (P) should be used for DA select promotions only. Now, that being said I understand that all officer promotions are done at the DA level. But lets get real about the promotions that are automatic there like W-1 to W-2 and O-1 thru O-3. I don't think those need to be "churched up" with a (P). Just my two cents.
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Technically, you're not promotable unless you've been SELECTED for promotion, but the effective date hasn't happened yet due to whatever circumstances (E4/E5 passed the board, hasn't made the points yet - W2/3/4 passed the board, sequence number (AC) or promotion date (RC) hasn't come up yet)
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I know the site does it on it's own... but for people to use it in signature blocks on memos and stuff...smh. I get it with LTC & higher. But just b/c you are (P)...doesn't mean you're going to get it, just saying
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Yes look at the BG that is about to become an E1 and spend the rest of his time on earth in Leavanworth
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SSG(P) (Join to see)
SSG Bryan Niemiec: Officers can only be reduced to 2LT. But yeah, the USDB at Leavenworth always welcomes more offenders...
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SGT(P) (Join to see)
Nice to hear that there is some justice in the world. On a related note, my Platoon Sergeant just accepted an ARCOM for his end of tour award without complaint.
The man just went up about 20 points in my eyes.
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The regulations cover correspondence, not unofficial or private means of communication. If I see a SGT(P) or a 1LT(P) here, I just gloss over it. It makes no difference to me. I'm hoping this July to be a CW2(P), and I'll be one for a year.... I'm in a CW3 position. I won't put the (P) on correspondence (TO INCLUDE EMAIL), but otherwise, I really don't care.
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....and the results got delayed by three whole months, but I'll be a CW2(P) until July 2016......
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SGM (P) good for him. If you find the profile please congratulate him in his promotion to whatever he thinks he will get promoted.
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SGM (P) means he is a Sergeant Major on a staff, He wants a Command Sergeant Major slot
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(P) has many functions and in the case of warrants, it gets me on the deployment plane sooner because a CW4P is equal to a CW5 which gets on with the O-6 and CSM! There are many other uses for the P such as weight for PCS and housing lists. As for memos, if signing a memo (P) is used if you are in a promotable status. Additionally you can be rated against the next grade for NCOER and OERs.
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You ought not sign with the (P) after your rank if you're not actually in the higher position.
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I'll have to find him again. I just saw him in the update feed when he was updating his information. It was a red flag for a faker.
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CPT Aaron Kletzing
Ugh, I see now. Probably a user just erroneously inputting information. Anyway, I don't think this is the Broken Arrow situation people are making it out to be!
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I am not going to lie, it is something of an inside joke between a few of us Lieutenants who are set to promote next week.
For formal correspondence it is completely improper.
For formal correspondence it is completely improper.
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CPT Aaron Kletzing
Yes, I think everyone would agree on 2LT(P) and 1LT(P) being overkill, and how people see it that way and thus don't (or shouldn't) do it. I'm trying to understand where the unrest is coming from on the enlisted side...are there ranks on the enlisted side that, according to regs, aren't supposed to have a (P) status?
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Sir,
I promise my (P) will go away next week... :-)
As far as on here, I don't think there is an issue since this is not official correspondence. After all RallyPoint is not affiliated with the DoD. So there is no issue with having the (P) here.
I promise my (P) will go away next week... :-)
As far as on here, I don't think there is an issue since this is not official correspondence. After all RallyPoint is not affiliated with the DoD. So there is no issue with having the (P) here.
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Based on AR 25-50 an argument could be made that you are enhancing the image of the Army by including the (P) in Army correspondence. I look at it like a 2LT saluting a 1LT we know its the right thing to do but they (majority) still don't do it. Putting the "P" after rank we know it should not be used (maybe) but they still do it. Actually joking aside I think it comes down to not knowing and now they have the reference they can go and read the chapter on signatures. Good observation.
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I am technically MAJ(P) having made the LTC selection list. But I would never use it. I think it is a tad pretentious, especially for a SPC.
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For SSGs, it has its uses i.e. on a Rating Scheme. The minimum AR 623-3 qualification for Senior Rater is SSG(P). Let's everyone know they are allowed to senior rate. For SPC and SGTs, with the new STEP rules, I think it makes great sense, at least in the USAR. Seats for NCOES are hard to come by and there's nothing like a P by your rank to constantly remind leadership they aren't doing enough to get this Soldier to NCOES so he/she can finally get promoted.
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They should remove it. We follow rules that are clear in black and white.
The "(P)" is incorrect in your signature. IAW AR 25-50;
(2) Do not use the “(P)” (meaning the signer is promotable) as part of a signature block in Army correspondence unless it benefits or enhances the image of the Army. However, it may be used in an address for such things as congratulatory notes. Examples are—
(a) A lieutenant colonel promotable, filling a colonel position. The position requires the signature of a colonel or higher. This situation would constitute using the (P) in the signature block.
(b) Enhancing or promoting a particular program or issue if it is supported by a potentially higher grade military individual. It may carry more clout if a brigadier general select issues a directive over a colonel.
The "(P)" is incorrect in your signature. IAW AR 25-50;
(2) Do not use the “(P)” (meaning the signer is promotable) as part of a signature block in Army correspondence unless it benefits or enhances the image of the Army. However, it may be used in an address for such things as congratulatory notes. Examples are—
(a) A lieutenant colonel promotable, filling a colonel position. The position requires the signature of a colonel or higher. This situation would constitute using the (P) in the signature block.
(b) Enhancing or promoting a particular program or issue if it is supported by a potentially higher grade military individual. It may carry more clout if a brigadier general select issues a directive over a colonel.
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It isn't a rank, and really shouldn't be used. That is inline with people using "select" in the Air Force.
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