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What does everyone think about all of the SPCs and SGTs on here with (P) after their rank? I won't quote AR 25-50, I just want your thoughts.
Posted >1 y ago
Responses: 28
SGM (P) good for him. If you find the profile please congratulate him in his promotion to whatever he thinks he will get promoted.
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SGM (P) means he is a Sergeant Major on a staff, He wants a Command Sergeant Major slot
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(P) has many functions and in the case of warrants, it gets me on the deployment plane sooner because a CW4P is equal to a CW5 which gets on with the O-6 and CSM! There are many other uses for the P such as weight for PCS and housing lists. As for memos, if signing a memo (P) is used if you are in a promotable status. Additionally you can be rated against the next grade for NCOER and OERs.
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CW3 (Join to see)
You ought not sign with the (P) after your rank if you're not actually in the higher position.
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I'll have to find him again. I just saw him in the update feed when he was updating his information. It was a red flag for a faker.
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CPT Aaron Kletzing
Ugh, I see now. Probably a user just erroneously inputting information. Anyway, I don't think this is the Broken Arrow situation people are making it out to be!
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I am not going to lie, it is something of an inside joke between a few of us Lieutenants who are set to promote next week.
For formal correspondence it is completely improper.
For formal correspondence it is completely improper.
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CPT Aaron Kletzing
Yes, I think everyone would agree on 2LT(P) and 1LT(P) being overkill, and how people see it that way and thus don't (or shouldn't) do it. I'm trying to understand where the unrest is coming from on the enlisted side...are there ranks on the enlisted side that, according to regs, aren't supposed to have a (P) status?
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CPT (Join to see)
Sir,
I promise my (P) will go away next week... :-)
As far as on here, I don't think there is an issue since this is not official correspondence. After all RallyPoint is not affiliated with the DoD. So there is no issue with having the (P) here.
I promise my (P) will go away next week... :-)
As far as on here, I don't think there is an issue since this is not official correspondence. After all RallyPoint is not affiliated with the DoD. So there is no issue with having the (P) here.
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Based on AR 25-50 an argument could be made that you are enhancing the image of the Army by including the (P) in Army correspondence. I look at it like a 2LT saluting a 1LT we know its the right thing to do but they (majority) still don't do it. Putting the "P" after rank we know it should not be used (maybe) but they still do it. Actually joking aside I think it comes down to not knowing and now they have the reference they can go and read the chapter on signatures. Good observation.
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I am technically MAJ(P) having made the LTC selection list. But I would never use it. I think it is a tad pretentious, especially for a SPC.
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For SSGs, it has its uses i.e. on a Rating Scheme. The minimum AR 623-3 qualification for Senior Rater is SSG(P). Let's everyone know they are allowed to senior rate. For SPC and SGTs, with the new STEP rules, I think it makes great sense, at least in the USAR. Seats for NCOES are hard to come by and there's nothing like a P by your rank to constantly remind leadership they aren't doing enough to get this Soldier to NCOES so he/she can finally get promoted.
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They should remove it. We follow rules that are clear in black and white.
The "(P)" is incorrect in your signature. IAW AR 25-50;
(2) Do not use the “(P)” (meaning the signer is promotable) as part of a signature block in Army correspondence unless it benefits or enhances the image of the Army. However, it may be used in an address for such things as congratulatory notes. Examples are—
(a) A lieutenant colonel promotable, filling a colonel position. The position requires the signature of a colonel or higher. This situation would constitute using the (P) in the signature block.
(b) Enhancing or promoting a particular program or issue if it is supported by a potentially higher grade military individual. It may carry more clout if a brigadier general select issues a directive over a colonel.
The "(P)" is incorrect in your signature. IAW AR 25-50;
(2) Do not use the “(P)” (meaning the signer is promotable) as part of a signature block in Army correspondence unless it benefits or enhances the image of the Army. However, it may be used in an address for such things as congratulatory notes. Examples are—
(a) A lieutenant colonel promotable, filling a colonel position. The position requires the signature of a colonel or higher. This situation would constitute using the (P) in the signature block.
(b) Enhancing or promoting a particular program or issue if it is supported by a potentially higher grade military individual. It may carry more clout if a brigadier general select issues a directive over a colonel.
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It isn't a rank, and really shouldn't be used. That is inline with people using "select" in the Air Force.
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