Posted on Jul 27, 2015
In today's Military, can you survive an Article 15 or Letter of Reprimand and still have a successful career?
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There was a time when having at least one Article 15 or Letter of reprimand was considered a right of passage. With today's Military draw down status and the crack down on toxic leadership and increased overall standards, can you survive a lapse of judgement?
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It was never considered a right of passage to me. Back in the day, at least I didn't try to get an Article 15 but things were more forgiving than they are now. I think an Article 15 in today's military could be career ending.
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If you call remaining in your same rank forever,Iwould say yes.unforunately that wont happen what will happen is a R.I.F.
In the old corp which I was part of and still am,It depended on your combat record as to punishment
and your MOS.In todays Corp Forget it.
In the old corp which I was part of and still am,It depended on your combat record as to punishment
and your MOS.In todays Corp Forget it.
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The customs and courtesies that comprise military traditions will be discarded rather quickly as the military downsizes and chases "corporate efficiencies." A negative review or disciplinary action are terminable offenses in the corporate world.
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MSG (Join to see)
Great comment. I was taught (back when we were issued muskets) That the Army is not a business or corporation. It's a freak 'in Army, with a mission of not to make money, be politically correct or protect the world. The Army exists to defend the Constitution and OUR country. Keep the corporate world out of it.
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There was a FAQ document on MilSuite that described the Post Board Screen as being able to look in the restricted file and subsequently, possible remove people from the promotion list. That document has since been removed.
I read it last week before its removal. My opinion: if you have something in your restricted file that you wouldn't want to discuss with your grandma over tea then you might be in trouble.
I read it last week before its removal. My opinion: if you have something in your restricted file that you wouldn't want to discuss with your grandma over tea then you might be in trouble.
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That's a very interesting take on mistakes made in the past. I agree, if you did something that your grandmother wouldn't of approved of, then more than likely it wasn't a good decision.
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MSgt Darum Danford
That isn't necessarily true. There are many variables that goes into processing someone for discharge and to be honest, one article 15 for a fail to go just isn't going to cut it. There are other circumstances where it might, say the proceeding LORs for whatever. All added together with one 15 then maybe. I've seen more people get hurt by getting a suspended punishment and then pushed out as a result of force shaping initiatives than I have for a one 15 and done. Having said that, there are 15s in the AF for offenses for one and done is mandatory, like weed for example.
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MSgt Jim Wolverton
Yes I'm aware but if one of my guys got an art 15, it was always for something big.
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MSG (Join to see)
OK. So you screw up and get a A15. Problem is that some superiors make it personal. I would hope that anyone that has the authority to issue punishment follows the proper guidelines, and doesn't take it as an opportunity dump on the guy because maybe he/she outshined him in a staff meeting (or something like that). My personal rule as a Senior NCO was always "be firm, fair and flexible".
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LTC Thelma Carnes Rowe
MSG Stephen Oles, that is a great moto to live by, however it is the senior leaders who allow authority to go to their head and become toxic leaders. As I have seen, the military still support this type of leadership when they tell the pubilic they are not going to tolerate it.
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Those days are gone for now. I think based on what's being used to push troops out, even a local action can have a severe consequence on your career. The Army's using every tool available to push troops out, and this in my opinion could be what separates one troop from staying in and another going home. Nothing and no ones safe anymore.
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In today's Marine Corps, a 6105 will make sure you have some explaining to do to the Career Counselor, an NJP is an automatic disbar from re-enlistment, same with Body Composition Program.
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ARTICLE 15? You might as well go thru a General Court. I think it will impale someone. From some of my just retiring bros I understand you cannot survive the 3 B's as my SGM used to call it. The greatest killer of infantrymen careers. Belts, Booze, and broads. (sorry for those who will never understand the mind of a 11 when I say broad). SGM was a character. The Army I am seeing from the outside is becoming flawed. The Regiment as we used to say is now something that offends certain types.
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Not at all. Even the restricted files are been scrutinized for the current separation boards.
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