Posted on Mar 17, 2016
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I've seen a new E-5 in my unit with the deployment OCP (the shoulders are Velcro pockets like the ACU not zippers, faintly faded, with a fuller only jacket zipper) without a deployment patch, or skill badges I.E CIB, AAS, Etc. he approached me for work and as we were talking he brought up how things worked at his last unit, and I asked him where he was deployed to and he said he wasn't (No right shoulder patch) but from what I understood those OCP's we're only given out to those who have been deployed to the Middle East the last year or so. Can anyone clarify on this? Thank you.
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SFC Rapfeal Mayfield
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Wow, I can't believe some of the response s from NCOs on this post. The young PFC just asked a question and by the response of some of you, I see why jr enlisted Soldiers something don't got to their NCO for answers. They rather go around not knowing or ask their peers who know just as much as them...or less, ijs...
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1SG Civil Affairs Specialist
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Some of the shit responses on here are way off base... then I get into the subcomments and it really goes off the rails.
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SGT M1 A2 Tank Gunner
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He just asked people to clarify what the Sergeant was doing. With all do respect, there's no need to be unprofessional by saying PFC Morter's opinion "doesn't mean shit". In fact, he didn't even input his opinion he just asked to clarify whether or not the NCO could wear the deployment OCP'S. I can understand if he called out his NCO directly by name to correct him but PFC Morter did not. The whole reason RallyPoint is here is for Soldiers, Seamen, Marines and Airman can discuss various topics in a professional manner.
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SGT M1 A2 Tank Gunner
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But to answer the original question yes, the Sergeant is well within AR670-1 to wear that particular uniform.
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SSgt Forensic Meteorological Consultant
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My take young is that first, you just worry about yourself. Afterall, you should respect your superiors, regardless of whether you like them or not. What are you going to do, charge him with Stolen Valor. You need to care of yourself.
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SGT Chris Owens
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this is for TSGT kerry hardy
I will explain this very simply and by the sentence
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pfc:I've seen a new E-5 in my unit with the deployment OCP (the shoulders are Velcro pockets like the ACU not zippers, faintly faded, with a fuller only jacket zipper) without a deployment patch, or skill badges I.E CIB, AAS, Etc
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deployment OCP: does not exist, it was issued to deploying units first
SGM Erik Marquez: is it authorized for wear......yes
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PFC: I asked him where he was deployed to and he said he wasn't (No right shoulder patch) but from what I understood those OCP's we're only given out to those who have been deployed to the Middle East the last year or so.
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SGM Erik Marquez: is it authorized for wear......yes
is it won correctly....yes
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PFC:Can anyone clarify on this? Thank you.
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SGM Erik Marquez: is it authorized for wear......yes
is it won correctly....yes
find something worth you time to fix, improve, train
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the last line says it all....from a high rank to a low rank.....yes it is ok to wear, quit whining about whether someone deployed or not and is authorized to wear something or isnt
go do some really useful training that you desperately need

how could you not see that the simple flow chart said this...hello
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1SG Civil Affairs Specialist
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TSGT guy was in full troll mode, obviously.
That whole thread is an embarrassment.
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SSG S1 Personnel Nco
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Most of these responses makes me want to drop this website. This is not leading the way. All Soldier are entitled to outstanding leadership and this is not it. This will be last post and good job for who those who tried to teach this young Soldier.
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Don't give up on RP. Most of the time it is great for getting constructive answers. Somewhere it took a left turn and the sharks smelled blood. I imagine the good private read very few of these responses, a the direct answer was in several of them, without the dumbass snark.
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SGT Armor Crew Member
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FYI, that pattern of uniform used to be called 'OCP', which is now called 'OEF-CP' or the trade name for the camouflage pattern is MultiCam(Multi-Cam). All three uniforms are Army Combat Uniforms, but usually the original ACU is referred to as such, while the later variants are referred to by their camouflage patterns.
Getting back to your question, it's perfectly fine to wear that uniform, as it is not a deployment award, skill badge, or sort of 'reward' for deployment.
Now as to how he got the uniform, he may have been in a unit that was about to deploy from 2011-present, but due to extenuating circumstances, he did not deploy.
Does that answer your question?
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SSG Senior Drill Sergeant
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I hate to be snarky because it's unbecoming of an NCO but my God Private, try doing an ounce of research on your own. The Army hides this type of information in things like Army Regulations, DA Pam's, ALARACT and MILPER messages. I understand you don't know what you don't know but I'd bet you can roll the hell out of some sleeves.
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SPC Darren Coffenberry
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You being a DS, your first answer should have been to cite the AR670-1 or at least provide a copy to the troop. The mentality starts with you, your the teachers for the future soldiers. To tell a soldier to research when it is your responsibility as not only an NCO but a DS to make sure they understand and have the tools they need to succeed.
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Edited 9 y ago
As long as it is not in violation of AR 670-1, then Soldiers are entitled to wear whichever uniform they feel like wearing. As for the Deployment uniforms, they were only issued to those that were deployed but you can go buy a set at your local surplus store if you want to wear them.
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PO3 Donald Murphy
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Stupid Navy Sailor question: do you Soldiers not get "announcements" about new uniforms, what they look like, who can wear them and when? In the Navy we'd get an "all hands" announcement showing the new uniform in color, male and female derivatives of it and when it can be utilized. Is the Navy the only branch that does this?
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PO2 Joseph Lucas
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I'm with you. So glad I was in the Navy. Army seems too complicated. No wonder they just call the Navy and Marines when they actually want to get something done.
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MSG Reid Stone
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SSG (Join to see) - There are announcements! Were when I was AD in the '70's and mobed in early 2000's. Usually sent to BN/CO and posted by CSM's and 1SG's on bulletin boards. Maybe he should read the company bulletin board. Hopefully he's looking at the training schedule!
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SSG Infantryman
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MSG Reid Stone - my "nope" was in response to the question asking if the Navy is the only service that pushes out notifications. Nope, *all* of the services push out notices, and are generally quite noisy about it.

I'll bet this kid knew to roll his sleeves up the day after *that* was promulgated, though. ;-)
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Yes we do, PO3 Donald Murphy . They are called ALARACT (All Army Activities) messages. They are generally posted to command bulletin boards. One like this governing uniforms get the widest distribution.
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SPC (Join to see) ok before you come at people check the altarac I wear multicams everyday at my unit almost no one else does.....I was on order in 2012 to deploy it for cancelled I was issued my uniforms and gear had to return the multi helmet cover and armour and the like but have all uniforms and combat tops boots and pants and cold weather gear. Its authorized till 2018 then you have to have the new crap. And also don't be disrepectful to people who are answering your question
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PV2 Sales
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Hey guy instead of posting this on a news feed how about you just ask the Sargent him or herself
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MAJ Military Police
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Oh, the admin police...take down a post. lol.
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SFC Agr Recruiter
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Multicam is now being issued at BCT/IET. I've had Soldier come back on HRAP and they are wearing them. Plus per AR 670-1 and SUBJ/ALARACT 085/2015 – TRANSITION TO OPERATIONAL CAMOUFLAGE PATTERN ARMY COMBAT UNIFORM (ACU) ENSEMBLE.
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Remember, if a Soldier has deployed it is their option to wear the SSI-FWS (if earned by regulation) on the right shoulder. They don't have to wear it.
AR 670-1 -
Chapter 22
Wear of Decorations, Service Medals, Badges, Unit Awards, and Appurtenances
22–1. General
This chapter covers decorations, service medals, badges, unit awards, and appurtenances, both U.S. and foreign, authorized for wear on Army uniforms. The term “award” is an all-inclusive term, covering any decoration, service medal, badge, ribbon, or appurtenance bestowed on an individual or unit. The term “ribbon” is an all-inclusive term covering that portion of the suspension ribbon of a service medal or decoration that is worn instead of the service medal or decoration.
22–2. Authorization
a. Commanders may require the wear of authorized awards on the following occasions:
(1) Parades, reviews, inspections, and funerals.
(2) Ceremonial and social occasions.
b. Unless directed by a commander IAW paragraph 22–2(a), authorized awards are worn at the option of the wearer, when not prohibited, during normal duty hours. Personnel also may wear authorized awards on appropriate uniforms when off duty. Personnel are encouraged to wear authorized awards on the service, dress, and mess uniforms.
c. Soldiers may wear authorized awards on the Class B version of the service uniform during duty hours and when off duty, at their option.
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SGT Dennis H.
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Who the hell cares?!?!?
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Ok so some people are giving you good advice as far as looking it up and him being within regulation. That being said ignore the negativity and drive on. You did the right thing by asking, just try to find a different way. Like respectfully asking the NCO if it is authorized and I am more than sure if he is a good NCO he will inform you in a way that is just as respectful as the way you present the question to him/her. Good luck in your future with the army and know that all NCOs aren't assholes 24/7. We put our pants on the same way as you
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LTC Del Clark
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There are some pretty good responses to this...I especially like the flow chart...everyone is authorized to wear them now.
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SSG Warren Swan
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This has got to be one of the crazier threads I've seen in a minute. Speaking for me as a Soldier, if I had a question, depending on what it was, the first thing I'd be asked is "did you look it up"? If I said no, I'd be sent on my way and told to look it up and get back to him. It teaches you how to be somewhat self proficient in looking up regs and interpreting what they are saying. As I went on up in the years, the questions became less, being I knew within reason where to look, and if it was not clear, I could tell my next higher, this is what I read in AR, FM, DA PAM, MILPER, this is what I take it as, and we'd discuss what it means to both of us. I'm not petty enough to worry about if someone is wearing a uniform without a patch, and if it bothered me enough, 670-1 is everyone favorite reg short of 600-9 or 600-20. FM 22-102 will always be a classic. At your level these are all things you should be getting acquainted with even if your plan it to do your time and bounce. You can rest assured if you ever get the Magic Bullet, you'll be reading your ass off. I also think calling this NCO an E5 is questionable. Yes I've done it, and it wasn't right then. Doesn't give me free run to let you make the same mistake I did. SGM Erik Marquez's flowchart is simple KISS type stuff. Believe it or not, with a few word changes, you could apply it to damn near anything in the Army.
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Amen on this being one of the craziest threads I've seen on RP, and I've been on here for over five years.
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SSG(P) Platoon Sergeant
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Yes it is, there is no regulation that states any soldier regardless of rank can't wear OCP uniforms.
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