Posted on Oct 16, 2015
Is the National Rifle Association too big to fall?
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Interesting read and take. A lot of big lobbying groups have fallen after thinking they were too big to go down. Could the NRA be the next one to bite the dust? The author brings up some good points, but me personally I'm not totally sold. What do you think Rally Point?
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“THE SECOND : RACE AND GUNS IN A FATALLY UNEQUAL AMERICA”
By : CAROL ANDERSON
SOURCE : https://www.npr.org/2021/06/02/ [login to see] /historian-uncovers-the-racist-roots-of-the-2nd-amendment
The NRA Supported Gun Control When the Black Panthers Had the Weapons
Back in the 1960s, even the NRA supported gun control to disarm the group
The Mulford Act, a state bill prohibiting the open carry of loaded firearms, along with an addendum prohibiting loaded firearms in the state Capitol. The 1967 bill took California down the path to having some of the strictest gun laws in America and helped jumpstart a surge of national gun control restrictions.
SOURCE : https://www.history.com/.amp/news/black-panthers-gun-control-nra-support-mulford-act
https://dbpedia.org/page/Mulford_Act
https://www.pbs.org/hueypnewton/actions/actions_capitolmarch.html
#theymakelaws
#theymakelegistration
By : CAROL ANDERSON
SOURCE : https://www.npr.org/2021/06/02/ [login to see] /historian-uncovers-the-racist-roots-of-the-2nd-amendment
The NRA Supported Gun Control When the Black Panthers Had the Weapons
Back in the 1960s, even the NRA supported gun control to disarm the group
The Mulford Act, a state bill prohibiting the open carry of loaded firearms, along with an addendum prohibiting loaded firearms in the state Capitol. The 1967 bill took California down the path to having some of the strictest gun laws in America and helped jumpstart a surge of national gun control restrictions.
SOURCE : https://www.history.com/.amp/news/black-panthers-gun-control-nra-support-mulford-act
https://dbpedia.org/page/Mulford_Act
https://www.pbs.org/hueypnewton/actions/actions_capitolmarch.html
#theymakelaws
#theymakelegistration
Historian Uncovers The Racist Roots Of The 2nd Amendment
Carol Anderson says the Second Amendment was designed to ensure slave owners could quickly crush any rebellion or resistance from those they'd enslaved. Her new book is The Second.
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CPL LaForest Gray
Buffalo Shooter's Manifesto Promotes "Great Replacement" Theory, Antisemitism and Previous Mass Shooters
Published: 05.14.2022
* Antisemitism in the US Bigotry Extremism Terrorism Hate Crimes
“According to an online screed Gendron allegedly posted shortly before the attack, his goal was to “spread awareness to my fellow whites about the real problems the West is facing,” and “encourage further attacks that will eventually start the war that will save the Western world.” It is not clear where this document was originally posted, but Gendron reportedly claimed he planned to post it on 8chan.moe and 4chan, and send links to Discord servers.
The manifesto’s language closely echoes the themes of previous rants posted by white supremacist shooters, and refers repeatedly to the virulently racist and antisemitic Great Replacement conspiracy theory, which argues that Jews are responsible for non-white immigration into the United States, and that non-white immigrants will eventually replace (and lead to the extinction of) the white race.”
SOURCE : https://www.adl.org/resources/blog/buffalo-shooters-manifesto-promotes-great-replacement-theory-antisemitism-and-previous-mass-shooters
Published: 05.14.2022
* Antisemitism in the US Bigotry Extremism Terrorism Hate Crimes
“According to an online screed Gendron allegedly posted shortly before the attack, his goal was to “spread awareness to my fellow whites about the real problems the West is facing,” and “encourage further attacks that will eventually start the war that will save the Western world.” It is not clear where this document was originally posted, but Gendron reportedly claimed he planned to post it on 8chan.moe and 4chan, and send links to Discord servers.
The manifesto’s language closely echoes the themes of previous rants posted by white supremacist shooters, and refers repeatedly to the virulently racist and antisemitic Great Replacement conspiracy theory, which argues that Jews are responsible for non-white immigration into the United States, and that non-white immigrants will eventually replace (and lead to the extinction of) the white race.”
SOURCE : https://www.adl.org/resources/blog/buffalo-shooters-manifesto-promotes-great-replacement-theory-antisemitism-and-previous-mass-shooters
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If the author of this story brought up any "good points" I missed them. Sadly, his whole premise is based on a fallacious assumption: That there is a causal relationship between guns and violence. Interestingly, this is the same causal relationship that drives the anti-gun/anti-NRA movement. However, it does play on a weakness in both the 2nd Amendment and the charter of the NRA. Instead of weapons, I wish the 2nd Amendment and its defenders such as the NRA promoted our God-given right to self defense. Thus, weapons (shotguns, rifles, handguns of all types, bows and arrows, sticks and stones, etc) would be relegated to their correct place as mere implements of self defense. How could anyone argue with that narrative?
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SSG Warren Swan
" I wish the 2nd Amendment and its defenders such as the NRA promoted our God-given right to self defense"...THIS I could seriously get behind and support
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This article represents the dreams of the left, but it will never happen in real life.
The power of the NRA does not come from its leaders, but from its grassroots members. The NRA represents the interests of all gun owners whether they are hunters, sports shooters, or those using guns for personal protection.
The NRA also informs their members of the voting records of their elected representatives ahead of each election and lets the people choose those that best represent their own interests. The power of the NRA is the power of the people themselves making informed choices, and this is unlikely to change any time soon.
The power of the NRA does not come from its leaders, but from its grassroots members. The NRA represents the interests of all gun owners whether they are hunters, sports shooters, or those using guns for personal protection.
The NRA also informs their members of the voting records of their elected representatives ahead of each election and lets the people choose those that best represent their own interests. The power of the NRA is the power of the people themselves making informed choices, and this is unlikely to change any time soon.
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Why would you want them to fall? The NRA is an organization that fundamentally helps to protect our second amendment. If you think guns are to blame for mental illnesses then there in lies the problem.
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SSG Warren Swan
I have no skin in the game. Personally I find it humorous on both sides of the gun lobby. I posted this to see what others thought.
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I answered no, as nothing is, and nothing lasts forever. However, I don't believe that the NRA is going anywhere soon. The reason for this is because the NRA truly is a grassroots organization. Of course firearm manufacturers benefit from the protection that the NRA has given them, however this is not "Big Tobacco." The other organizations that John Blake compares the NRA to in his article lost their grassroots support and failed. The NRA is nowhere close to loosing support. In fact it is gaining support. I'm not sure if it's intentional, or if authors such as John Blake are just so out of touch with the section of America that's not on our left or right coasts, that they fail to recognize that the NRA represents a very strong cross section of Americans.
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SSG Warren Swan
I can't speak for Mr. Blake or his opinion, but the fact than a group had the backing enough to get an amendment made, is rather strong in itself. I could only see the NRA failing is if the populace gets tired of the rhetoric from them as much as the rhetoric from the anti gun side. Once it equals out, not much need then. But that's not realistic being that it'll never happen with the way mass media likes to stir pots on both sides.
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Capt Seid Waddell
SSG Warren Swan, the NRA didn't get the Second Amendment made - the abuses of the British Crown did that. The Second Amendment was a part of the original Constitution signed on September 17, 1787; the NRA came along 93 years later on November 17, 1871.
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SSG Warren Swan
I agree with that, but could the general populace whittle down it's influence? Peoples memories in America are shorter than my odds of winning the lottery.
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SSgt Alex Robinson
SSG Warren Swan I will like many organizations the in NRA probably has a much more loyal following in membership is usually familial
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Any group that becomes more interested in building itself up and chooses to support what will enrich them rather than fight for core issues will in time fail. Their membership will leave them and the organization will become irrelevant.
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Why woud that need to fall? I am not sure what this even means? Fall for what? My deal would be none of the above because I do care but gun control nuts need to be reigned in.
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SSG Warren Swan
Not so much in the sense of it being a failure, but becoming to big for itself and a change in priorities causing it to fail. Much in the sense of some thinking WWP becoming bigger than itself.
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SGT Michael Glenn
What does he have on his head??? Didnt Caesar wear something like that before he was assasinated??
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SSG Warren Swan - If the government set out to limit that power, it would go about it, by introducing new laws through a creeping authoritarian government. People assenting to these restrictions would soon find themselves having more and more rights deferred to government who has never done anything right. S2D2.
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SSG Warren Swan
SSgt (Join to see) - But that would be the case regardless of party affiliation. People want more government control when it suits their desires, and then want more states rights when it comes to their agendas. Blame the government for immigration, then ban them from building a fence on your property as an example. No one can win, but the blame is conveniently placed at the wrong set of feet.
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Another reasonable question is, about Mexicans and 0ther illegals streaming across the border and that is another loose end. If we are not serious about porous borders and that risk; if our president wants to win at all costs, the next victims will be those related to home invasions and quite possibly with automatic weapons.
To win an election by putting innocents at risk is dumb at best and using another country's laws as a litmus test is either deceptive or fuzzy thinking.
What's next? Global Warming? Will that be the issue that needs immediate attention? LOL. This is kind of a political grab bag and just like HRC, Immigration and whatever else, there will be a next issue and another and another... Wake up America!!
To win an election by putting innocents at risk is dumb at best and using another country's laws as a litmus test is either deceptive or fuzzy thinking.
What's next? Global Warming? Will that be the issue that needs immediate attention? LOL. This is kind of a political grab bag and just like HRC, Immigration and whatever else, there will be a next issue and another and another... Wake up America!!
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Obama bogey man the NRA. More like one of his straw men. They are the most powerful lobbying group. And they are responsible for all gun violence in the a United States.
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Sgt William Barr
the only person responsible for gun violence is the person that pulls the trigger and aims the gun at another human. we have this thing called a constitution and we took a oath to protect it.
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TSgt Kenneth Ellis
I know that. The NRA is Obama Boogy man. He continually makes up straw men to attack things he does not like. The comment was how Obama feels.
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PO3 Sherry Thornburg
According to the Gun industry, Obama is the best gun salesman there ever was. This was going around just before his reelection. My son is training as a gun smith and says the same thing. Everytime Obama opened his mouth about gun control, sales went up. http://shinybastard.com/?p=896
The Greatest Gun Salesman (Obama) in America: The Infographic
The Shiny Bastard
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