Posted on Jun 19, 2017
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SGT Dave Tracy
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Kinda sounds like the CSM's working the old "you can add to, but not take away from" deals if you can't find anything specific in 670-1.
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PV2 Donald Dean
PV2 Donald Dean
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SSG(P) (Join to see) - "The US Flag should never be worn as clothing, yet you see this all the time. Advertising? Everyone uses the American Flag in advertising. There is never a repercussion for violating Flag Code." In the public sector. Free Speech allows people to violate it. However, as a member of the Armed Services your Free Speech is restricted while you are serving.
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Glenn McLaughlin
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PV2 Donald Dean - Unfortunately the US Flag Code is intentionally written in the form of guidelines. It uses "should" instead of shall. The US Supreme Court has ruled multiple times that state laws the try to enact laws that make flag code violations a crime are a violation of our citizen's rights. I don't agree with this, but that's the way it is. Military regs can, of course, be enforced by the military on their members.
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PV2 Donald Dean
PV2 Donald Dean
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Glenn McLaughlin - Pretty much. When you join the military you signed on the dotted line to be told how to shit and with which hand to wipe your ass with.
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CPT Special Forces Officer
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PV2 Donald Dean - Having a flag design printed or embroidered on a piece of clothing is different from converting a "real" flag into a piece of clothing.
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SGM Omer Dalton
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Hey, this is a long thread. Read a whole bunch of it. Get real folks regulations can’t, won’t, and shouldn’t cover all situations. This comes from someone who wrote regulations for the Department of the Army as a civilian. The operative word here is good judgement and don’t let pet peeves cloud that judgement. That thought served me just fine as a senior NCO. Follow the regulation. If it isn’t in the regulation at any level, that’s when judgement comes in as well as the chain of command. Overly obnoxious NCOs and officers pushing foolish stuff are not good leaders and very bad for morale. A case in point during my time were hair cuts. If the cut was within Army regulations I let it be and didn’t push buzz cuts like mine. If it didn’t meet the reg I let them know.
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SPC Nils Hammer
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Ha ha, haircuts; I remember in 1976 it was "the portion of the moustache that extends beyond the corners of the mouth will go no lower than a line drawn parallel to the lowest portion of the lower lip". I remember because no NCO ever accepted it and always demanded much shorter cuts, which I called "hitler" style.
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SPC John Tacetta
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SPC Nils Hammer - I feel you.
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SSgt Dexter Dearth
SSgt Dexter Dearth
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Poleese that moostache!
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PO3 David Russell
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My dd-214 says I dont give a fuck
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SGT Greg Gold
SGT Greg Gold
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My retirement orders shield me from this fuckery!
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SSG David Hattan
SSG David Hattan
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Went into the PX as a retiree with my old 3 Day pack, OD color, over my shoulder with my flag above all my wings and unit patches. Still wore a military hair cut.
Was approached my a CSM and he went to chastise me about my back pack.
My answer to him was “I’m sure you’ll get over it”. And went about my business.
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CSM Albert Blais
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I can't believe the amount of disrespect I've read on this forum referring to a CSM, especially from a full-bird Colonel who stated he liked butting heads with CSMs. Most field-grade officers and GOs that i encountered were respectful to CSMs and valued our opinions. Now I remember one of the reasons why I retired. To those respectful soldiers/leaders on this forum, please disregard my rant and thank you for your service...
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SFC Greg Bruorton
SFC Greg Bruorton
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I don't view it as disrespect when 06s and E9s in the same unit trade banter; it is a good relationship between the two. But I'm guilty of violating sub para (g) as mentioned as I spent good money on a wood-burned flag replica having Airborne wings burnt in. I ain't throwing it away either!
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My CSM was often the only man who knew what was really going on. His knowledge and experience saved my butt on several occasions. I will always be thankful for his wisdom.
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SFC Stephen King
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PFC (Join to see) Does Fort Hood have their own regulations that they have you carry? Fort Bragg XVIII ABN Corps, 82D ABN and Fort Drum have there own additional post regulations. That being said if you are approached by the same CSM be tactful in your retort.
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SGT Jeremy Nelson
SGT Jeremy Nelson
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As SGT Chen and SGM Stokes said FT Hood does have the III Corps handbook that every soldier on post is required to carry on their person. I've been out for four years now and only just "retired" my copy of the hand book from my pov last week, heh.
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SSG (ret) William Martin
SSG (ret) William Martin
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SGT Jeremy Nelson - Just carry a digital copy. It's allowed now.
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Right or wrong just do what the CSM says. If nothing else it will prepare you for married life where your wife will ALWAYS rate one full grade above whatever rank you just happen to be.
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SSG Jason French
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If it was against regs they wouldn't have issued them to us.. they are meant for combat ops as an ir marker. So that csm was obviously a non combat arms desk jockey not familiar with combat operations or authorized gear for said operations.
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He wouldn't be a CSM if he wasn't the best desk jockey. Don't pi_s into the wind.
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MSG John Duchesneau
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No. On the other hand, if one of your NCOs doesn't like it then don't do it.
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The correct answer
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MSG Ron Radar
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A bit late to the party on this one , but .....As a private I was taught to never put anything on my uniform or gear that wasn't either issued or approved by my CO ( and that could and did change from time to time as new policies were instituted ) . That stood me in good order for 21 years and after becoming an NCO I taught this to all whom I was charged with training or were under my command . And if not sure of something ASK , the only stupid question is one that's not asked when you're in doubt .
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SPC Nils Hammer
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I worked at the va, and asked a guy some questions about the job, and told him most places don't like questions. He was in the navy and said "if you hear a funny noise, and don't ask about it, and the boat sinks, that would be a bad thing".
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SFC William Stephens A. Jr., 3 MSM, JSCM
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Edited 7 y ago
I was at a snack bar yesterday with my old MOLLE GEAR ARMY BACKPACK on with American flag and Army name tag on the back of the bag some made a comment "are you a Patriotic person?" I said "NO" It's just ARMY thing I guess. Proud to be American.
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SGT Writer
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I'm trying to figure out how I would answer that question because it comes off as a stupid one at first glance. I'm the same way, I have plenty excess velcro flags that I place where it'll stick.
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CPO Don Campbell
CPO Don Campbell
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SGT (Join to see) i was reading through all these comments about the flag but i wss looking for something about what the flag means because recently my confidence in whst the flag means was severely shaken when 6 Honolulu police officers responding to a 911 call from a caller who is protected from me knowing who they are and disputing the accusation...came to my house...i invited them in my home thinking they were there to help me with my dog Diazo who was being treated for cancer and from the evening of June 18 2019 at 1930 until HPD came to my home around 1845 Diazo was in terrible pain and bleeding from 3 external tumors he would not let me touch him...i tried everything to get the veterinary hospotal treating Diazo for the cancer to send somd kind of pain pill to the local cvs pharmacy i could give Diazo so i can get him into the xterra and get Diazo to verc animal hospital...i live on oahu if anyone is familar with the island in kunia not far from Schofield barracks...the doctor cannot prescribe anything for Diazo until the doctor examines Diazo first...but the doctor saw Diazo 2 days ago Ur tresting him for cancer this went on round and round all day...i couldn't even get a doctor to call and i even emailed puctures of diazo...i am 90% service comnected with ptsd at 70% of the 90% but i am individually permanently unemployable so that is 100% automatically...i also have chronic back pain depression and anxiety...it is very difficult for me to talk on the phone but i am trying to ecplain my disabilities to the VERC office staff...the world was closing in around me...first 2 HPD officers came then 2 more officers then 2 more officers making it 6 police officers...when the count was 4 HPD police officers i was grabbed handcuffed with my arms behind my back far beyond my range of motion then shoved into the back of the police car facedown and locked in the car with the windows rolled up...engine off no a/c...i told the police about my disabilities before being grabbed... i am also 63 years old...about 30 minutes later i was overheating overwhelmed and ptsd and anxiety was in uncharted territory...i hadnt done anything...i was not charged with anything and the police officers kept telling me Ur not under arrest but i sure felt like i wad under arrest...i was calling for help from the backseat of the police car the one officer standing close to the police car just ignored me while the 5 other police officers went through my house and took my firearms...i was taken in handcuffs to Tripler Army Hospital...it was humiliating...in less than 3 hours i was cleared by 3 army doctors...they said we dont understand why U were brought here and i disagree with U being brought here in handcuffs...i am going to discharge U so U can go home and take care of Ur dog...walked out of Tripler at 0005 and there was a message from verc...Diazo had been transpoted by humane society to verc.. spoke with this doctor at verc at first it was a little testy but she was great...j didn't have any cash or credit card on me so i walked back home to kunia...one if the army doctors wanted to give me all the money he had in his wallet but i couldn't take it...i told the doctor i had money but i didn't...the cancer had spread and Diazo died...i never said goodbye to Diazo and i never saw Diazo again...Diazo was not just a dog but my entire world and only friend...how the fuck does this happen in America and when did i forfeit civil and constitutional rights by being honest and asking for help...my answer is it doesn't and i didn't...i am still wrapping my head around this because it is unbelievable but if Ur a veteran in Hawaii and U ask for help with ptsd or something U will find Urself in a place with no Aloha...the flag really doesn't care how it is displayed but i believe the flag cares about what it represents and that paper called the constitution which Hawaii is wiping its ass with...i dont blame HPD...this is how the laws are written and they were following the laws...one of the police officers was a retired senior chief...i thought when i showed them Diazo it will explain why i am upset...i cannot blame 6 police officers who are that god damn stupid...i kept telling myself this has to be a nitemare but then i would tell myself if it was a nightmare i would have woken up by now...June 19 2019 is tge worst day of my life...Diazo suffered so much pain in the ladt 24 hours of his life...i have told this story on other parts of this forum and i will tell it many more times...if Ur having problems please seek competent help which is hard to find but ask how this will affect Ur constitutional rights...this was Diazo...i miss him terribly
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COL Roxanne Arndt
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You know I think we should be proud that soldiers want to display the flag on their back pack. The military has bigger problems to focus on such as sexual assault and harassment of men and women in the military. Sorry!!!
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