Posted on Aug 8, 2015
COL Charles Williams
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If you have been to Ranger School, you well know, once you get to Florida, you are pretty much done... so long as you can pass one patrol, and you don't get hurt; home stretch for 17 days...

It appears, the first two women (ever) will soon graduate and receive their well earned Ranger Tab... No easy task for anyone... to say the least. Will this answer the Army's question of should/can women serve in direct combat MOSs? Remember, anyone from any MOS can go to Ranger School. We have yet to have women attend Infantry or Armor OSUT/BOLC. Should that not be the pilot?

Clearly, if a woman can complete Ranger School.... Infantry OSUT/BLOC would be easy.

- Colonel Fivecoat (Commander Ranger Training Brigade) would not say whether he supported women serving in the infantry because he did not want to get out in front of his own commanders. But allowing them to attend Ranger School was a no-brainer. “Why would you not want them to get this training, so they can be the best they can possibly be?”

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/08/us/women-in-army-ranger-school-move-a-step-closer-to-combat.html?_r=1
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SSG Mathew Ada
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Sir, this answers nothing. Women have passed courses similar to in physical demand like Ranger School. Take SERE for example. It only shows that with preparation and motivation a soldier, whether male or female, can accomplish the mission to standard. Nothing new there. If women are to be placed into frontline combat roles, then standards must be equalized across the boards, eliminating gender graded physical fitness tables and living space. We fight as a unit, indiscriminate of race, sexuality and gender. Accomplish the mission and do the job, that's all us grunts care about.
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Awesome news. Glad to see the first two women are on track to graduate ranger school. Fantastic training, grounded in the fundamentals to small unit tactics, is good for any soldier regardless of MOS and gender.

Does it prove they should serve in the Infantry? No.

This proves a small percentage, of the Army's toughest women, can graduate Ranger school. There's a cumulative effect the Infantry places on your body. Day after day. Year after year. Deployment after deployment. The fact remains: there are physiological differences between the two sexes. That's not me being a jerk, it's science.

Honestly. As a former RI, I am happy and proud of these two. I hope they encourage many more to attend and pass, male and female.

But two will graduate. Out of hundreds, maybe thousands, who aspired, but couldn't pass unir-level gates. And those two are the extremely small remnants of what started.

I think it's too early to say the Infantry should be gender equal. I'm not saying never- just too early.

And we haven't even touched the uncomfortable truth that nobody wants to discuss: the mentality of a typical Infantry platoon. Seriously. Massive culture shock.

Again, not impossible, but these two graduating next should not be the catalyst for massive changes that will affect combat readiness in the force as unit devote time towards integration not LFXs.
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SSG Daniel Brewster
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You know what? God Bless 'em. The question that it answers, in my mind, is that kick ass women can graduate from Ranger school.

The unspoken question is not whether women can serve in combat, as they've been doing that for many years, but whether women should have the same opportunity as men when it comes to leadership and training opportunities. The answer to that question is undoubtedly yes. The vast majority of male senior leaders in the Army have attended Ranger school. Will women reach those same senior leadership positions without the opportunity to attend the same schools? I dunno, but it's a good question - and most likely no. That's wrong.

The other question people get all emotional about is whether women should serve in a combat arms MOS. I come down on the nay side on this one. Not because some exceptional female soldiers can pass Ranger school, but because the majority/average/whatever term you want to use, will not. When size and capabilities matter, they matter. You'll always be able to find some tough solider who can do anything - but will the majority? No.

So... if Ranger school is all about producing top warfighters? No, women shouldn't attend - those slots should go to warfighters. If Ranger school is all about grooming future senior leaders and is a rite of passage for those leaders? Then, yes, women should attend.

How's that for a complicated answer to your question? :)
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The only thing it says is that there are two more ranger officers.
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SFC Joseph James
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This answers the age old question "Who gives a crap?" Why would anyone think a woman could not live up to men? Why are we surprised that they can do what men do? It's about time we as a nation stop telling them what they can do and just shut up and start seeing it for real! I have served with many women and i have never been surprised to see a Soldier acting like a Soldier....so why should you? Hooah!
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SSG(P) Erik Hein
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I will always place the mission first.

I will never accept defeat.

I will never quit.

I will never leave a fallen comrade.
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SFC Senior Instructor
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It shouldn't raise any questions. Clearly it shows that these females can hack it.
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1SG Observer   Controller/Trainer (Oc/T) Team Chief
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I highly commend these two Ranger candidates for having the intestinal fortitude to make it where they are and hopefully complete the course. BLUF: Their graduation from Ranger school answers the question of whether or not a female Soldier can attend and complete Ranger School. Although their graduation may be supporting evidence for those advocating for female Soldiers to serve in positions currently restricted to male Soldiers, I don't think their graduation answers whether or not those positions should be opened to female Soldiers or answers anything else for that matter. Again, I support and congratulate these Soldiers for achieving such a monumental task, but within the context of the subject line here, it only serves to prove that female Soldiers can complete Ranger school.
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COL Charles Williams
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1SG (Join to see) Thanks. I agree.
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CW2 Pamela (Carpenter) Wolf
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I think it answers one question of more questions to come. When DoD sets their sights on answering any question, I.e., "should females be permitted to hold direct combat MOSs?, or should women be allowed to be assigned to combat missions?, they must do the due diligence in finding supporting answers along the way to the ultimate answers. This is just one of the many questions that can now be asked and answered, and it lets the decision-making process move along to the next question in this progression.
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Let's see how they perform in combat now as the next phase.
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I don't think it is a matter of whether or not it's a woman or a man COL, I believe that every special operator that makes it through the training is not fully capable until their skills are actually tested in combat. Whether it is a male, female, or a tranny, every special operations capable soldier must first be evaluated in a real world situation before they can be deemed ready!
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SPC Paul Vaneizenga - I agree. My point was women have been serving in combat for some time, and in my eyes, all is fine. But, we still have not answered should they serve in Infantry, Armor, SF, etc... I can see Special Operations, because the units (minus the Ranger Regiment) are generally small teams. But, I think in conventional maneuver battalions... this will be a challenge.
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I believe every real world mission is a challenge COL. But we must not let challenges stop us from achieving our primary objectives and accomplishing our missions. Their is no "easy way" in a combat situation whether your a man or a woman.
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SPC Paul Vaneizenga - I agree.
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Sgt Matt Koeneman
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Which is awesome. But, to date, not a single female has been able to pass the Marine Corps' Infantry Officers Course.

http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/story/military/2015/04/07/last-ioc-in-marine-experiment-drops-two-officers/25418867/
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Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS
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No, but we have had good success on the enlisted side.
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Cpl Jeff N.
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The enlisted infantry school is easier than the IOC. Most of the real grunt training occurs when you get to your first infantry company.
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COL Charles Williams
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Sgt Aaron Kennedy, MS - Cpl Jeff N. Sgt Matt Koeneman Thanks. Good points, on the Officer and Enlisted course. I still remain confused why the Army did not also run a pilot with our Infantry OSUT (enlisted) and our Infantry BOLC (Officers).
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