Posted on Jan 18, 2017
ROTC or OCS: does one affect your career more than the other? Which did you choose, and why?
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I was active for 8 years, deployed with the 101st to Afghan in 08-09 and got out, joined the reserves in '14, joined ROTC in Fall '15. I could have done OCS since I already had my bachelor's, but instead opted to get my Master's and managed to claw my way into ROTC. It's taking 2.5 years but I have a buddy who just graduated and is taking the 3 month route in OCS. I might be a little jealous...
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I went the ROTC route as prior service. I don't think the pathway matters (between ROTC vs. OCS). What does matter is how you perform in your jobs once you get the commission.
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SMSgt Lawrence McCarter
Colonel Broom, True, that is the bottom line that measures Your career success, not the route used to get there !
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The difference is the prior service part. Whether through OCS or ROTC, those who are able to transition in the officer Corps cleanly bring with them experience and credibility. Problem is there are many who cannot break from relationships or ingrained behaviors that can cause pitfalls and issues of fraternization. As long as the officer is cognizant of that and treats each job as the best they have ever had, they should see success
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While I'm not an Officer (clearly), I have experience with Officers that went both routes. To me, there was no difference in which one affected the career route (by my witness, anyway). To me, it's the quality of character of the Officer. To which, that quality of character is already present long before they get that gold bar on the shoulder.
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SMSgt Lawrence McCarter
One unit I was in all of our officers were prior enlisted and what a great group ! They ranged in rank from SSgt to MSgt. I know two of them went all the way to Full Colonel, 06. One that made it to full Colonel I had done enlisted time with and He was a MSgt and had to get an age waiver to be commissioned as a 2Lt. i know when He retired He told Me He knew He would never get a star but never expected to go as far as He did in rank and couldn't be happier about it.
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SMSgt Lawrence McCarter - I knew a gentleman that had attained 1SG in the Army, then got commissioned and attained Colonel. He was an extraordinary Soldier.
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SMSgt Lawrence McCarter
MSG (Join to see) - Also at Hickam AFB, HI our Commander there went up to MSgt in the USAF Air Police and was commissioned as a 2Lt and retired at the rank of Lt. Col. He was also a Veteran of WWII, Korea and Viet Nam.
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Here's how it works.... It is all about "manner of performance." Many think seem to OCS is better, looking up, as they seem to like prior service officers, which you are in either case. Once you are commissioned, USMA, OCS, ROTC, or Direct, you (we) are all on the same playing field. Then, it is all about manner of performance. Officers from all all sources succeed and fail in numbers commensurate with the percentages they provide to the total Army every year. No one source has a leg up. Some think they do. I did my Master Thesis on this very topic, and I sat on more than one promotion board... plus 33 years in the field; 29 as an O. CPT (Join to see)
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Thank you sir. I'm just looking at the time difference. If I would have went OCS, I'd be done and a 1LT already, but I wouldn't be almost done with my Master's, so I guess it's apples and oranges.
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COL Charles Williams
CPT (Join to see) - I understand, but for me, I had to go to school 3-4 nights a week, and weekends from 85 to 88 to finish my BS. It was a lot of work with, but it had to be done. OCS was my best option, because, at the time, Green to Gold did not exist, so I would have been on my own... Hard to do, if you are married, have bills etc.... Sounds like you made the right choice.
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Yes sir. A Master's, teaching license, and a happy wife that's had me around the whole two years instead of away at OCS for a few months.
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ROTC and OCs require the same thing, you get paid more for being enlisted before either way
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Source of commissioning doesn't matter as much a performance. The onlyvrwal difference between the two is the training. ROTC requires at least two years of attendance at a 4 year university, but ROTC is strongly focused on recruiting so you get treated pretty well. OCS gets you a commission in 90 days, but they are more focused on seeing who can hack it rather than trying to ensure you want to stat in the program. I went the leisurely ROTC route.
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How about "None of the Above"
I received a direct commission in 2003 and other than having to fill in a few blanks at OBC, commissioning source has had zero impact on my career.
I received a direct commission in 2003 and other than having to fill in a few blanks at OBC, commissioning source has had zero impact on my career.
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Since you already had a bachelor's degree you are one leg up doing ROTC since you will graduate with a Masters. Besides that they have the same end results. Either way congratulations and see you on the other side.
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As others have stated, it makes no difference. I joined as an OCS option my Sr. year of college and completed the NG accerated OCS program. I enjoyed what I was doing in NG, but as I had been serving as an activated guardsman for 4 of my first 6 years in, I transferred to permanent Active Duty. You make the most of your career, regardless how you started. Kudos to you for doing it your way, and best of luck as you rise in the ranks.
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Though your mileage may vary, source of commission is strongly correlated with an officer's success throughout his/her career. A January 2010 report published by the Strategic Studies Institute explains why. An extract is below, with link to full report at the bottom.
Years of peacetime and wartime performance data, however, clearly demonstrate that, once commissioned, the scholarship officers are disproportionately likely to possess the conceptual and problem-solving talent demanded by jobs such as commander, executive officer, or operations officer. Because high-quality education amplifies experiential learning capacity, this talent advantage grows as these officers move from company grade to field grade assignments of increasing scope and complexity
http://www.strategicstudiesinstitute.army.mil/pdffiles/PUB965.pdf
Years of peacetime and wartime performance data, however, clearly demonstrate that, once commissioned, the scholarship officers are disproportionately likely to possess the conceptual and problem-solving talent demanded by jobs such as commander, executive officer, or operations officer. Because high-quality education amplifies experiential learning capacity, this talent advantage grows as these officers move from company grade to field grade assignments of increasing scope and complexity
http://www.strategicstudiesinstitute.army.mil/pdffiles/PUB965.pdf
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Very interesting article, in terms of commissioning program I wonder how much of their findings are due to the prior service factor that is far more prevalent in OCS and 2year scholarships vs 4 years or USMA?
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In the end there is little difference. All pre-commissioning programs must cover the same basic core requirements. As has been proven over the past thirty years or so, the source of the commission is secondary to performance after receiving the commission. I was fortunate to receive my commission via the active duty enlisted ROTC scholarship program (now called green to gold). Pick the path which works best for you.
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I completed OCS last year after being prior enlisted. Since the consensus here is that the end state is the same, OCS is the way to go. You can get a graduate degree paid for without doing ROTC. However, I can't speak to what the reserves does with school as opposed to the active side.
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Right now, there is a suspension of the Army Reserve Direct Appointment for FY17 and rumored for possible FY18.
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SPC Bradley Morrison - Your time will always count for something if you serve. It's four years and 1 active duty prior enlisted to get the O1E pay which really only affects BAH in the early active duty years.
The regulation on O1E can be found in Chapter 1, page 1-11 of the DoD Financial Management Regulation Volume 7A.
After reading it myself it doesn't look like it's going to count but keep looking into it!
The regulation on O1E can be found in Chapter 1, page 1-11 of the DoD Financial Management Regulation Volume 7A.
After reading it myself it doesn't look like it's going to count but keep looking into it!
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Why are you jealous, because his experience has taken a shorter amount of time? Don't be.
It truly doesn't matter. Once you commission you are an officer, and that's all that matters. Is there a bit a fraternity between the USMA grads, of course. For everyone though what matters is how you perform. Don't worry about anyone else's commissioning source, focus on you.
It truly doesn't matter. Once you commission you are an officer, and that's all that matters. Is there a bit a fraternity between the USMA grads, of course. For everyone though what matters is how you perform. Don't worry about anyone else's commissioning source, focus on you.
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ROTC, and the Master's degree you are pursuing, I believe, will ultimately help you as you begin to compete for more senior grades, and better assignment opportunity.
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As a whole ROTC is a more in depth commissioning source that prepares officers to function better, the time involved alone and the mentoring provided is far superior than what I saw coming out of OCS. (the non-prior service candidates)
However because you are already degreed, and a combat veteran with 8 years, ROTC isn't tailored to teach you much that you couldn't just read in the books. If you already have experience, a bachelors degree, and know how to lead OCS would be a better choice because you'd have been promoted two years earlier every promotion for the remainder of your career. A side note your peers in ROTC are probably learning a lot from you.
However because you are already degreed, and a combat veteran with 8 years, ROTC isn't tailored to teach you much that you couldn't just read in the books. If you already have experience, a bachelors degree, and know how to lead OCS would be a better choice because you'd have been promoted two years earlier every promotion for the remainder of your career. A side note your peers in ROTC are probably learning a lot from you.
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I honestly don't think it really matters as both lead to the same thing...a commission.
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